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Mainly stuck around voat for the shitposts and endless stream of news, from different random sources. Also, Phuks kinda seemed like a ghost town— even by voat standards. But, alas, times move forward. Gonna stick around here and gab, for a while. See which one grows on me. Mainly, I have a question involving this line, from the ToS:

Posting content of any kind that incites discrimination, hate or violence towards one person or a group of people because of their belonging to a race, religion or nation is strictly prohibited.

Seems to be the elephant in the room, for those who are apprehensively singing up, over the past 24 - 48hrs. Part of the reason that voat blew up, was due to the fact that you could discuss things that were beginning to be labelled "taboo", elsewhere. I've seen others, in my short burst of lurking, that they're posting things like, "fuck Islam" as a proof that this place isn't reddit 2.0. That's cool.

I'm just looking for clarification; I get that inciting hate and violence, and simply stating your hatred towards something, are two different things. But in the spirit of not coming in here to shit up the place, figured I'd ask first. If I just have to tone-down the shitposts and jew-memes, that's cool. If I have to tip-toe around saying anything negative about things that I sincerely believe in, because it might offend someone and get me banned— even if I'm being completely objective and reasonable, about my views, then you could consider this my last post. :/

Mainly stuck around voat for the shitposts and endless stream of news, from different random sources. Also, Phuks kinda seemed like a ghost town— even by voat standards. But, alas, times move forward. Gonna stick around here and gab, for a while. See which one grows on me. Mainly, I have a question involving this line, from the ToS: > Posting content of any kind that incites discrimination, hate or violence towards one person or a group of people because of their belonging to a race, religion or nation is strictly prohibited. Seems to be the elephant in the room, for those who are apprehensively singing up, over the past 24 - 48hrs. Part of the reason that voat blew up, was due to the fact that you could discuss things that were beginning to be labelled "taboo", elsewhere. I've seen others, in my short burst of lurking, that they're posting things like, "fuck Islam" as a proof that this place isn't reddit 2.0. That's cool. I'm just looking for clarification; I get that *inciting* hate and violence, and simply *stating* your hatred towards something, are two different things. But in the spirit of not coming in here to shit up the place, figured I'd ask first. If I just have to tone-down the shitposts and jew-memes, that's cool. If I have to tip-toe around saying anything negative about things that I sincerely believe in, because it might offend someone and get me banned— even if I'm being completely objective and reasonable, about my views, then you could consider this my last post. :/

33 comments

[–] E-werd 11 points (+12|-1)

Here's my question for you: why would you feel the need to constantly talk about the people you dislike? That's where the rub comes for me. I don't care that much if you're a bigot or a racist, we'll find common ground elsewhere. Just don't bring it up in every conversation, that's dumb. Why bother with memes about them?

This sort of stuff, it doesn't make sense to keep watering the garden of your hatred. The adult thing to do, if you don't like or if you outright hate something, you cut it from your life. Make sure it is no longer a part of your life. Living in constant uproar is just... wrong.

Whatever. I'm not staff, I'm just vocal about this topic.

The ToS says what it says, make sure it's legal under US law more or less. Err on the side of safety.

Maybe I won't really get along with you that well, but welcome anyway. Opposing viewpoints are still welcome in my book as long as it's open for level discussion.

[–] TheTrigger [OP] 4 points (+4|-0)

you feel the need to constantly talk about the people you dislike?

Didn't mean to imply that. I'm just talking about generalities. It's like the 2A. Just because you want the right to have a gun, doesn't mean you're going to walk around, constantly shooting it in random public places.

Why bother with memes about them?

Because sometimes they can be relevant and topical. Like the recent bount of zucc memes, for example. It's a good way to blow off steam and have a giggle.

it doesn't make sense to keep watering the garden of your hatred

Sometimes, looking in to "forbidden facts" will lead you down a path that will make you unkindly towards certain things, in life. That's just the way it goes. Forget where that one quote comes from, "the truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off".

if you don't like or if you outright hate something, you cut it from your life

Sometimes, that's impossible. For example, to cut fiat currency out of my life, I'd have to live in the woods. I mean, I have a plan laid out, to do just that, after I retire. But that's not feasible. Along those lines, I hate the fed and the people that run it. Not much I can do about that, either, except open people's eyes to the rampant corruption behind said organization.

Living in constant uproar is just... wrong

So is living with your head in stuck in the ground, singing, "lalalalalalalalalalala" whenever you see something seriously wrong with society. That's how the UK ended up being as messed up as it is now.

Maybe I won't really get along with you that well, but welcome anyway.

That's perfectly fine, bud. I'm an adult enough to completely accept and embrace the fact that some people won't like my views on certain things; I'm used to it by now. I'd consider myself a complete wimp, to think anything else. ;) Once you let go of the need to have everyone like you, the world becomes a much simpler and straight-forward place.

[–] E-werd 1 points (+1|-0)

So is living with your head in stuck in the ground, singing, "lalalalalalalalalalala" whenever you see something seriously wrong with society.

You pick your battles and don't waste your energy on worthless causes, it has nothing to do with complacency.

Once you let go of the need to have everyone like you, the world becomes a much simpler and straight-forward place.

There's no reason to fight for the sake of fighting is my ultimate point here.

You do you, bud.

[–] TheTrigger [OP] 0 points (+0|-0)

Pretty sure there's some miscommunication here, but I can't put my finger on it. I'm not on some crusade, dude. I just want to be able to discuss things openly, without the fear of reprisal due to wrong-think. That's all. Just making sure that the wording of the ToS doesn't mean that someone isn't going to ban me, simply because I pointed something out that someone didn't like. I'm not gonna pick fights with people, just for the sake of it. In my three years on voat, I flew pretty well under the radar and never involved myself in any of the drama, despite commenting more-than-regularly. That being said, I won't shy away from a debate.

[–] [Deleted] 4 points (+5|-1)

I will say that it can sometimes help to get things off your chest. I have worked in and around all sorts of people and have noticed a close difference in character and treatment. The internet is sometimes the only outlet I have to vent those issues. Not saying I go around forums constantly screaming nigger or kike. That's just annoying.

[–] E-werd 5 points (+5|-0)

I get that, I understand it totally. I used to work helpdesk and supported people in a larger, more uhh... "ethnic" town. Rest assured I can and have gone off about that. I try not to, I try to repress any of that internal hate because that not who I want to be. But sometimes, man, sometimes...

Not saying I go around forums constantly screaming nigger or kike. That's just annoying.

Glad to hear that. Also, somebody downvoted you before I replied--it wasn't me. I'll even it out.

[–] [Deleted] 2 points (+2|-0)

I don't mind downphuks or upphuks. I come to places like this for many reasons and none of them are for imaginary points.

[–] [Deleted] 2 points (+2|-0)

I agree to a point. Repressing ones opinions or reality is never good. Those feelings will come out in one way or another. There is no reason to live with hate inside of yourself. But calling a spade a spade isn't exactly what I would call hate. It is being a realist.

[–] PMYA 10 points (+10|-0)

Some of the things in our TOS are not things that we put there willingly. Banning gambling, for example, had to be done because it is not allowed under the TOS of our hosting provider. The discrimination line is lifted word for word from our hosting provider.

In over a year now, only a handful of posts/comments have been deleted by admins for breaking this specific part of the TOS. In addition to this however, you may also find that a fair portion of the people here are pretty lukewarm over the prospect of having the same highly political discussion present in every topic that exists on Voat, as this is one of the reasons people started using Phuks.

Personally, I enjoyed Voat a lot for about 6 months after the Reddit sub blackout happened. Then, a combination of the hate subs being banned on Reddit and the US election heating up made it pretty much impossible to avoid getting into very polarised political discussions about the US (a fair number of us are not even from the US here) over every single topic, whether it was relevant to US politics or not.

So far the line is not clear. We haven't really had a great deal of racial discussion or anything like that on the site, aside from a few people just coming here to cause trouble for the sake of it. As a general rule though, we have been careful not to advertise Phuks as a free speech/anything goes platform like Voat did, partly due to what it ended up doing to the level of content on the site, and also due to hosting provider rules.

[–] TheTrigger [OP] 2 points (+2|-0)

I'm actually pretty okay with that. I agree that not everything needs to be politicized. There were a few stretches of time, that I stopped using voat for that exact reason. Particularly during prominent "happenings" or influxes. I've gone from posting over fifty-to-a-hundred comments a day, from about two years ago, to maybe once or twice every couple of days; I get where you're coming from.

It'd be nice to to find out that there's some subs that do allow/are specifically for discussing said topics, though, in the event that something important happens that would be interesting to banter over. I've always been of the mindset that there's a time and a place for everything. I don't go on Steam to discuss politics, for example.

[–] [Deleted] 1 points (+1|-0)

In over a year now, only a handful of posts/comments have been deleted by admins for breaking this specific part of the TOS.

Was this at the request of the hosting provider?

[–] PMYA 2 points (+2|-0)

No, we have never received any kind of request either from our hosting provider or any other entity.

The provider is not responsible for maintaining that, we are. If you read their policy broadly, they can just choose to drop us if we are clearly doing nothing to enforce their policy, hence the reason we have some of the same rules in the Phuks TOS.

The only case in which we would possibly receive a request from them is for copyright infringement. If someone contacts them about some of their content that we are distributing for free, say, they would notify us to take it down or they'd take it down themselves.

[–] AlkaiserSoze 0 points (+0|-0) Edited

Hm. While this website do not advertise as a free speech area, what is the general take on the concept? I understand you don't want every comment filled with the words nigger, kike, spic, etc, but say, would my comment end up being deleted because I used those words? More to the point, what if (in example) some users were to discuss the actual numbers of Jewish people who died in WW2. References are cited, and civil discourse and discussion is held. In that case should the participants of the conversation expect backlash or deletion?

Should new users expect to have to censor themselves lest they get banned for an off the cuff comment that reflects their personal beliefs? Please note, I'm not trying to bait here. I merely wish to understand where the lines are drawn. I'm not proposing to go around and shitpost up the website because that really isn't my style. I'm not the type to visit the neighbors house and then piss on their curtains because their coffee table book isn't my thing.

ADDENDUM: Just as a post-word, I'm not in the habit of getting into conversations like those which were previously mentioned. However, I do support freedom of speech. I don't necessarily agree with what some people use their freedom for but that's their choice. I tend to like places like that. It is stimulating to see controversial discussions because it is symbolic of the ability to have those discussions. The ideal of freedom (and with it the pros and cons) is an appealing concept to me, hence my questions.

[–] PMYA 1 points (+1|-0)

Broadly speaking, none of that would get removed. You certainly wouldn't end up being banned sitewide for one comment or post, unless it was something like child porn. In general, as long as everything is civil and there's no sign that anything in the TOS or sub rules is being broken, it won't be touched.

We have had practically no deletions up until this point over TOS stuff, and I think there has only been one sitewide ban (in which someone decided to try and game the voting system multiple times). As long as everyone bears in mind that we have to delete certain things due to our hosting provider's TOS, everything will be fine.

[–] AlkaiserSoze 1 points (+1|-0)

I understand. Thank you for your answer on this, PMYA. I do appreciate it. Have a good day.

[–] pembo210 5 points (+5|-0)

Yeah, that seems to keep coming up. I think it's more about intent. I don't like the idea of saying "here's 10 words that are 100% bad" because that hinders an actual discussion about he word's origins or history, or even if it's an inside joke. That's one of the reasons we got away from the other sites. But if it's being used in a gross manner to belittle or harass someone or a user, then the discussion needs to be revisited.

The good news is that phuks is 100% open source, everything is public before it's live here, and if you are willing to spend about $20-30/month in hosting fees, we'll be happy help you install a copy, give you the admin keys, and let you run your own version.

[–] TheTrigger [OP] 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

That's pretty much what I'm getting on about. I don't mean to imply that I'm going to come here and start shitting up the place by calling everyone a niggerfaggotkike. Just want to make sure I'm not setting myself up for failure. It seems to be that the general rule of thumb is that: as long as I conduct myself in the same way that I would, say at work, I'd still be able to discuss such topics that would otherwise get me fired; if that makes sense. I'm okay with that.

Sometimes I like to let loose and shitpost/engage in some bantz; especially when I've been drinking. But this site seems to have its own version of SDBH/SBBH, so I'll poke around in there, later (no homo... some homo).

EDIT: good to know about the open source aspect. That's one thing that I like about here over voat. Their github was always out of date, and I'm pretty sure that some of the live features never actually got updated on the repository. Which in itself was somewhat of a red flag.

[–] pembo210 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

no worries..

yeah, seeing stuff appear on the site and no updates to github bothered me too.

We host our own manager - https://phab.phuks.co

It's like github but with a few extra features so we can manage docs and other company stuff privately. Just open phuks in one tab and open Phab in the other, and it will ask to authorize. Enter a nickname, then you can see all of our history, active bugs, and report stuff if you have a problem. Everything is live there first and seen by multiple people before any of it is pushed to this site. This site's live code can only come from there from the master repo.

We started this site with the goal of keeping it as open as possible. We don't use any trackers, outside analytics, ads or sponsored posts of any kind. Our /s/changelog keeps track of bigger stuff and shows up on the homepage if there is a major change or a new feature. We'll keep adding stuff, and if you have anything you would like to see get added, let us know in /s/ideasforphuks and we'll figure out if we can make it work.

[–] Niggerfaggot 2 points (+2|-0)

I feel like a velciraptor testing the fence for weak spots. Not gonna be content until I know where the boundaries are.

[–] Adhdferret 1 points (+1|-0)

Want to know the boundary? Let me help you out.

Conduct yourself as if you were in public and could actually have consequence. You do that then you will be fine.

[–] Niggerfaggot 1 points (+1|-0)

Yea, but sometimes there is value in going beyond what is acceptable in public. Explore the dark places of our human condition without consequences.

[–] smallpond 0 points (+0|-0)

CCP restrictions provided plenty of boundary fences on voat, but they acted to shelter you from people with opposing opinions. You might want to appreciate that those fences are no longer present on phuks, before focusing too much on finding new ones.

[–] Justintoxicated 2 points (+2|-0)

Posting content of any kind that incites discrimination, hate or violence towards one person or a group of people because of their belonging to a race, religion or nation is strictly prohibited.

This is probably the most asked question in the last 24 hours.

Basically we're chill community, people can have debate/discussions makes jokes etc... but if you're an ass to other users and autistically shitpost ad naseum in inappropriate subs constantly trying to forward an agenda this probably not the place for you. Think civility.

[–] ev-ixx 2 points (+2|-0)

Hey Voat bro.

[–] TheTrigger [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

what's good

[–] ev-ixx 0 points (+0|-0)

Chilling buddy. How's it going?

[–] TheTrigger [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

Just pokin' around other places to hang out, besides voat. Time to grow roots elsewhere, just in case the soil over there never recovers. About to go get a few beers and get the BBQ going. Finally have a pretty sunny, not-super-cold, day for once. Even though it was a blizzard outside, yesterday. :p

Axed this voat account a while ago, saw the shit show and came on down. Good to see a lot of familiar faces here. Even if a bunch of you were jerks, you were familiar jerks, and a lot of you were even right some of the time.

It's sad that we may never know what happened to voat if it doesn't come back up. Thanks to the hosts of this site for having us. I'll also try not to shit the place up. :)