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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

Highlights that I love:

About three-fourths of people infected in a Massachusetts Covid-19 outbreak were fully vaccinated, according to new data published Friday by the CDC.

Meaning that the vaccine does not stop infection or spread. It does not.

The new data, published in the U.S. agency’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, also found that fully vaccinated people who get infected carry as much of the virus in their nose as unvaccinated people.

That means that they're every bit the little super-spreaders that unvaccinated people are and are contributing to mutations of the virus same as everyone else if not more since they're all acting like they won't catch or spread it. This also means that there will never be herd immunity. Ever.

with four of them ending up in the hospital

The vaccine is not the answer to this pandemic, only to people not dying.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html Highlights that I love: >About three-fourths of people infected in a Massachusetts Covid-19 outbreak were fully vaccinated, according to new data published Friday by the CDC. Meaning that the vaccine *does not stop infection or spread*. It does not. >The new data, published in the U.S. agency’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, also found that fully vaccinated people who get infected carry as much of the virus in their nose as unvaccinated people. That means that they're every bit the little super-spreaders that unvaccinated people are and are contributing to mutations of the virus same as everyone else *if not more* since they're all acting like they won't catch or spread it. This also means that there will never be herd immunity. *Ever*. >with four of them ending up in the hospital *The vaccine is not the answer to this pandemic, only to people not dying*.

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[–] Butler_crosley 1 points (+1|-0)

Except it has already shown that it can jump between species. Let's say we isolate every human being for two to three weeks and are successful at stopping the spread among humans. We haven't stopped the virus or its' evolution just pushed to another species and just kicked the proverbial can down the street. What happens when it jumps back to humans and has evolved into an even worse virus? We all isolate again? Just keep kicking the can down the street and hope that the scientific community can catch up quickly enough to the new variants? Or do we learn to treat it as essentially a super flu and let people go on with their lives? More people are going to start distrusting the scientific community and governments if we force everyone to isolate everytime a new variant shows up.

If anything we need to loosen the regulations that slow down research and keep potential treatments stuck in trials for years. The mRNA vaccines are made so that they can easily be changed and produce in mass in a much shorter time frame than traditional vaccines which can take years to redevelop.

Also, remember what happened to the boy who cried wolf too many times...

[–] ScorpioGlitch [OP] 0 points (+0|-0)

The people who originally said "If it just saves one life" are now refusing to do that or are at least getting butthurt and blaming antivaxxers while refusing "the science" that the CDC has printed about how vaccinated (symptomatic or not) are cranking out just as many viral bodies as the unvaccinated. Unfortunately, it also tends to be the party of people who let their emotions led them above all else and they're just now getting a taste of what "the other side" said all along about having to do what is needed.

Sure, it can jump some species. Namely cats and bats. We don't have a lot of contact between people and bats and cats don't roam from house to house as often as people do. The incubation period is 2 to 10 days. Two to three weeks will shut it down.

Unfortunately, if it come from a democrat, republicans won't do it. And if it comes from a republican, democrats won't do it (unless it comes with a paycheck). What needs to happen is a joint statement from Biden AND Trump with a $2000 one time payment voucher (not cash) to be used for lockdown supplies and then strict enforcement because that it the only way it's going to happen.

[–] Butler_crosley 1 points (+1|-0)

I don't care which political party wants to institute lockdowns, they're not going to work. Too many workers are considered essential and no politician in their right mind will order every single person to be locked down (it would be political suicide). It would cause a complete collapse of the economy not to mention a rise in deaths from things other than Covid-19.

Cats and bats aren't the main worry. Rats and mice are also susceptible to the virus as well as members of the Mustelidae family (minks, otters, ferrets). There are plenty of potential non human hosts for the virus to jump to and ravage or hide among and evolve. And that's just in the US. Now magnify that across the world and the virus will have ample places to hide and come roaring back with a vengeance.

We're not going to be able to eradicate this virus. science is still trying to catch up to it and they haven't even found a cure for its' relatives SARS or the common cold. This is the Spanish flu pandemic 100 years later and even it still exists (called influenza virus A subtype H1N1 now). The current pandemic will subside and we'll still have flare-ups of outbreaks.

If anything we need to stop politicizing the pandemic and stop sensationalizing the varients. This is not the worst virus to ever infect humans (far from it). We need the scientific community to be allowed to research it and not be demonized when they discover that advice has become incorrect.

[–] CDanger 0 points (+0|-0)

Australia has tried lockdowns for a year now with no end in sight. Outside of going straight China and welding people inside, it doesn't work.

But more importantly, no matter how hard of a lockdown you want, it will obviously fail because this is a global problem; even if the US and the rest of the developed world did this, how would a plan like this ever work in Africa, etc?
[–] ScorpioGlitch [OP] 0 points (+0|-0)

Well, let's see here.

Stop all international travel. That includes sneaking across the border.

That's a good start.

Mandate that all jobs that can be work from home are until further notice.

That'll help.

Any jobs that can't be WFH are now unemployed and get a social net with a requirement to find a WFH position if possible.

Stop all travel unless you're under an extremely small umbrella of reasons. Assisting family, providing absolutely mandatory services (grocery delivery, for example), and so on.

Oh, and every country on the world start coordinating on efforts because it's a world problem, not a country problem.

Doing all of that would stop this thing without any need for a vaccine.

But no one wants to do these things. No one wants to do the tough things that will fix the problem. They just want to go back to whatever lives they had as soon as possible without any discomfort or effort.

That means that we're in for a huge population culling because this is never going away otherwise.
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