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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

Highlights that I love:

About three-fourths of people infected in a Massachusetts Covid-19 outbreak were fully vaccinated, according to new data published Friday by the CDC.

Meaning that the vaccine does not stop infection or spread. It does not.

The new data, published in the U.S. agency’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, also found that fully vaccinated people who get infected carry as much of the virus in their nose as unvaccinated people.

That means that they're every bit the little super-spreaders that unvaccinated people are and are contributing to mutations of the virus same as everyone else if not more since they're all acting like they won't catch or spread it. This also means that there will never be herd immunity. Ever.

with four of them ending up in the hospital

The vaccine is not the answer to this pandemic, only to people not dying.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html Highlights that I love: >About three-fourths of people infected in a Massachusetts Covid-19 outbreak were fully vaccinated, according to new data published Friday by the CDC. Meaning that the vaccine *does not stop infection or spread*. It does not. >The new data, published in the U.S. agency’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, also found that fully vaccinated people who get infected carry as much of the virus in their nose as unvaccinated people. That means that they're every bit the little super-spreaders that unvaccinated people are and are contributing to mutations of the virus same as everyone else *if not more* since they're all acting like they won't catch or spread it. This also means that there will never be herd immunity. *Ever*. >with four of them ending up in the hospital *The vaccine is not the answer to this pandemic, only to people not dying*.

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[–] ScorpioGlitch [OP] 0 points (+0|-0)

The people who originally said "If it just saves one life" are now refusing to do that or are at least getting butthurt and blaming antivaxxers while refusing "the science" that the CDC has printed about how vaccinated (symptomatic or not) are cranking out just as many viral bodies as the unvaccinated. Unfortunately, it also tends to be the party of people who let their emotions led them above all else and they're just now getting a taste of what "the other side" said all along about having to do what is needed.

Sure, it can jump some species. Namely cats and bats. We don't have a lot of contact between people and bats and cats don't roam from house to house as often as people do. The incubation period is 2 to 10 days. Two to three weeks will shut it down.

Unfortunately, if it come from a democrat, republicans won't do it. And if it comes from a republican, democrats won't do it (unless it comes with a paycheck). What needs to happen is a joint statement from Biden AND Trump with a $2000 one time payment voucher (not cash) to be used for lockdown supplies and then strict enforcement because that it the only way it's going to happen.

[–] CDanger 0 points (+0|-0)

Australia has tried lockdowns for a year now with no end in sight. Outside of going straight China and welding people inside, it doesn't work.

But more importantly, no matter how hard of a lockdown you want, it will obviously fail because this is a global problem; even if the US and the rest of the developed world did this, how would a plan like this ever work in Africa, etc?
[–] ScorpioGlitch [OP] 0 points (+0|-0)

Well, let's see here.

Stop all international travel. That includes sneaking across the border.

That's a good start.

Mandate that all jobs that can be work from home are until further notice.

That'll help.

Any jobs that can't be WFH are now unemployed and get a social net with a requirement to find a WFH position if possible.

Stop all travel unless you're under an extremely small umbrella of reasons. Assisting family, providing absolutely mandatory services (grocery delivery, for example), and so on.

Oh, and every country on the world start coordinating on efforts because it's a world problem, not a country problem.

Doing all of that would stop this thing without any need for a vaccine.

But no one wants to do these things. No one wants to do the tough things that will fix the problem. They just want to go back to whatever lives they had as soon as possible without any discomfort or effort.

That means that we're in for a huge population culling because this is never going away otherwise.
[–] CDanger 1 points (+1|-0)

Theoretically this might work, but there is zero chance it could ever happen. Even if countries like Congo wanted to coordinate, things like unemployment, etc are nonexistent there. A year ago it was obvious covid couldn't be stopped since it had spread absolutely everywhere. And even if we somehow did that, there are animal reservoirs. Efforts trying to contain and prevent the inevitable spread are pointless and wasted at this stage.

That means that we're in for a huge population culling because this is never going away otherwise.

Since the average age in developing counties is very young, I'm guessing we're not even looking at 1% global population. The vast majority of those who die will be old and in poor health. Whether 1% is huge is a matter of perspective, but the world population is still growing despite all this.
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