I've Never Been PC Over Memes Until Today

[–] CDanger 0 points (+0|-0)

40% of British Muslims want to introduce Sharia law. 38% of Muslims surveyed in 16 major Muslim countries believe suicide bombings and attacks on civilians are justified at least some of the time. Read through some of the other statistics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_toward_terrorism

The majority may condemn terrorism, but does that really help much when ~10% completely support suicide bombings and groups like ISIS and ~40% at least have sympathies for those causes? Would we be equally apologetic if 10% of the country were Nazis and 40% were sympathetic for the cause? Let's be consistent in our condemnation of extremism and intolerance.

[–] Butler_crosley 0 points (+0|-0)

The statistics in your link show that most Muslim countries have lower approval of attacking civilians than Americans do. Also they didn't specifically say 40% of British Muslims support sharia law, they said 60% do not but didn't break down the other 40% of the poll. It's possible that entire percentage said yes to sharia law but it's also possible that only a small portion want sharia law to the extent of some Middle Eastern countries.

National Socialism, or Nazism, isn't a comparable example to this debate since it isn't a religion. And I condemn their actions, as well as the actions of any extremist group; however, I don't say all Germans were evil when it was Nazi Germany. The world isn't simple enough to pigeonhole large groups (millions or higher) of people into good or evil. Are there some groups that can be put into one category or the other? Most definitely, but it's usually a minority of the overall group.

[–] CDanger 0 points (+0|-0)

It's nice to play devil's advocate and see the best in others and consider the least innocuous interpretation, but Occam's razor should help our interpretation of the fact that all Muslim societies are not peaceful, tolerant, sustainable, or prosperous. Like nearly every religion, there are cancerous and destructive parts of the ideology that should be denounced, but I'm not aware of much positive to come from present Islam and its supporters to balance out the harms.

Is there a single Muslim-majority nation that is a role model (or even acceptable) for the rights of women, gays, minorities, and freedom of expression? Would you want to live in any of those countries? Which values do they follow that the west should adopt? If immigrants from these countries gained increasing numbers and political power, do you expect that they will fully adapt to the customs, values, and culture of western nations or will they seek to bring the destructive practices, infighting, and repression of their homelands to the new host nation? You are very open minded and accepting of them, but how do you honestly believe Muslims view those of us in the west? I'm not trying trying to overwhelm you with these questions and expecting an answer to each of them, but I think you see my point that there is a vast gulf between tolerant societies and Islamic societies, and accepting those who seek to destroy your way of life isn't noble.

Too much time gets wasted in the pointless discussion between the false dilemma of "they're all terrorists" vs "not all Muslims" and misses the obvious truth that there is a lot wrong with Islam, and failing to address and confront this is harmful for a free society.

[–] Butler_crosley 0 points (+0|-0)

I think the bigger issue is that people tend to try and compare Islam to Western culture but that's going to skew the discussion due to different ways of life. A quick search on women's rights in Muslim countries found that Iran, Lebanon, and U.A.E. are considered to be much more progressive than say Saudi Arabia when it comes to women's rights. LGBT rights are still a relatively young issue compared to other movements and aren't even fully resolved in Westernized countries. Minorities will always claim oppression when they feel slighted regardless of country.

Are there any Muslim countries I'd like to live in? Not really (I'm happy living in the Southeastern US) but some of the Central Asian countries (majority of them are predominantly Muslim) have gorgeous landscapes that I could see myself being able to live in.

For immigration I think the majority would peacefully settle down and integrate into Western society just as they have been doing for years. It takes time for any immigrant to fully integrate into a new society, but given that many immigrants' children embrace the society that they are raised in, it can and will happen. Look at places like Nashville where they have a large Kurdish population that has integrated while still keeping some of their traditions.

Does Islam have issues? Sure, but so do all religions. I don't consider Westboro Baptist Church to be valid example of Christianity just as I don't consider the Taliban or ISIS to be valid examples of Islam. Christianity was once spread the same way Islam was spread: by the sword.

My open-minded views have been shaped by studying history and my own personal experiences.

I've Never Been PC Over Memes Until Today

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