Going vegan doesn't make you a pussy, Nimai Delgado, and world record holding vegan strongman Patrik Baboumian
It is cruel to kill an animal that doesn't want to die. It is unnecessary cruelty. Vegan diets are nutritionally adequate
No animal wants to die, correct?
That's not a valid argument. We don't know that, and it doesn't matter because the answer doesn't change anything.
We can't judge animals for killing each other, because they don't understand the concept of morality
So you do agree that animals are not equal to humans? Is that fair to say, or not?
understand the concept of morality
What makes you think you do? Or that you're right?
Pigs would definitely have a better life in the wild
Are you just taking a guess? As someone who has spent a large portion of my life in remote areas I can tell you that nature is harsh. Pigs would not have a better life. Wild boar live only a fraction of the time that domestic pigs do. Raccoons in the wild have an average life expectancy of 4 hard years, in captivity they live 15. The same trend holds true for all animals. Small farm animals live in paradise compared to the wild.
Livestock can have a good life, and even wild animals are better off when there is hunting.
99.9% of animal products come from factory farms
You don't have to go vegan to eat responsibly.
The world won't turn vegan overnight
A slow genocide is still a genocide. Fortunately, it's not going to happen. There are enough animal lovers, like me, that will prevent it. You really think extermination of an entire species is the 'moral' thing?
Nature is all about balance. Any extreme is disruptive, even if it is well intentioned.
> No animal wants to die, correct?
That's not a valid argument. We don't know that, and it doesn't matter because the answer doesn't change anything.
> We can't judge animals for killing each other, because they don't understand the concept of morality
So you do agree that animals are not equal to humans? Is that fair to say, or not?
> understand the concept of morality
What makes you think you do? Or that you're right?
> Pigs would definitely have a better life in the wild
Are you just taking a guess? As someone who has spent a large portion of my life in remote areas I can tell you that nature is harsh. Pigs would **not** have a better life. Wild boar live only a fraction of the time that domestic pigs do. Raccoons in the wild have an average life expectancy of 4 hard years, in captivity they live 15. The same trend holds true for all animals. Small farm animals live in paradise compared to the wild.
Livestock can have a good life, and even wild animals are better off when there is hunting.
> 99.9% of animal products come from factory farms
You don't have to go vegan to eat responsibly.
> The world won't turn vegan overnight
A slow genocide is still a genocide. Fortunately, it's not going to happen. There are enough animal lovers, like me, that will prevent it.
You really think extermination of an entire species is the 'moral' thing?
Nature is all about balance. *Any* extreme is disruptive, even if it is well intentioned.
Come on, I don't honestly believe that you think animal abuse is okay. Is it really that controversial to say that it's wrong to needlessly kill animals?
How do you claim to be an animal lover if you pay for animals to be needlessly killed? "I love people, but I hire hit men to kill people."
Most people blow up when vegans mention the word genocide, but you're right. It is a genocide. 60,000,000,000 sentient beings are needlessly slaughtered every single year. In this millennia alone, that's more than 1 trillion animals.
If we could stop this needless killing, why wouldn't we?
Come on, I don't honestly believe that you think animal abuse is okay. Is it really that controversial to say that it's wrong to needlessly kill animals?
How do you claim to be an animal lover if you pay for animals to be needlessly killed? "I love people, but I hire hit men to kill people."
Most people blow up when vegans mention the word genocide, but you're right. It is a genocide. 60,000,000,000 sentient beings are needlessly slaughtered every single year. In this millennia alone, that's more than 1 trillion animals.
If we could stop this needless killing, why wouldn't we?
but you're right. It is a genocide. 60,000,000,000 sentient beings are needlessly slaughtered
That's not what the word genocide means.
I don't honestly believe that you think animal abuse is okay
You're right. I don't.
How do you claim to be an animal lover if you pay for animals to be needlessly killed?
I've often pulled the trigger, or reeled in the hook myself. If you don't understand how I can still be an animal lover, I'm going to make a guess about you:
You didn't grow up around animals (that weren't pets). If you think a farmer is 'cruel' and doesn't respect his livestock, or that nature is like a Disney movie, you have been misled.
I think you've lead a sheltered life and have been disconnected from nature. You don't seem to have much knowledge about, or respect for it.
Everything in nature has a purpose, and is a part of the life cycle. It starts small, microbes. It works it's way up, each transition leads to a higher order.
Billions of years of evolution, of an interconnected and complex relationship between the life forms, that has produced us, a space faring intelligence.
That's some epic level magic. Who need god when we're a part of something like that.
Animals have purpose, value, and nobility. If you got your way, they would lose it all, and mostly go extinct.
needless killing
It serves many purposes. Just because it is possible to survive on a vegan diet, does not mean that won't cause harm in a long list of other ways. It will harm the animals most of all, will significantly lower human health, and impact child development.
It would be incredibly irresponsible and misguided.
You keep talking as if you had the moral high ground, but I don't think you do. I'll ask again what makes you think that it is 'cruel' to butcher an animal?
I've explained a few of the ways that your idea would have an adverse effect on all, so if there is a 'moral' choice, it would not be veganism.
> but you're right. It is a genocide. 60,000,000,000 sentient beings are needlessly slaughtered
That's not what the word [genocide means.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide)
> I don't honestly believe that you think animal abuse is okay
You're right. I don't.
> How do you claim to be an animal lover if you pay for animals to be needlessly killed?
I've often pulled the trigger, or reeled in the hook myself. If you don't understand how I can still be an animal lover, I'm going to make a guess about you:
You didn't grow up around animals (that weren't pets). If you think a farmer is 'cruel' and doesn't respect his livestock, or that nature is like a Disney movie, you have been misled.
I think you've lead a sheltered life and have been disconnected from nature. You don't seem to have much knowledge about, or respect for it.
Everything in nature has a purpose, and is a part of the life cycle. It starts small, microbes. It works it's way up, each transition leads to a higher order.
Billions of years of evolution, of an interconnected and complex relationship between the life forms, that has produced us, a space faring intelligence.
That's some epic level magic. Who need god when we're a part of something like that.
Animals have purpose, value, and nobility. If you got your way, they would lose it all, and mostly go extinct.
> needless killing
It serves many purposes. Just because it is *possible* to survive on a vegan diet, does not mean that won't cause harm in a long list of other ways. It will harm the animals most of all, will significantly lower human health, and impact child development.
It would be incredibly irresponsible and misguided.
You keep talking as if you had the moral high ground, but I don't think you do. I'll ask again what makes you think that it is 'cruel' to butcher an animal?
I've explained a few of the ways that your idea would have an adverse effect on all, so if there is a 'moral' choice, it would not be veganism.
Fair enough, you're right.
No animal wants to die, correct? Animals want to pass on their genes, etc.
We can't judge animals for killing each other, because they don't understand the concept of morality. If a retard did something immoral, it's hard to judge him/her if he/she doesn't understand morality.
The world won't turn vegan overnight. It will happen slowly, and animals will be bread less and less.
Let's do pigs, yeah? I don't think cows and chickens can survive in the wild now. Pigs can. Pigs would definitely have a better life in the wild. And you inserted the context of small farms. 99.9% of animal products come from factory farms, which are hell holes. http://www.gary-tv.com/garymain/opinions/quotes/