Going vegan doesn't make you a pussy, Nimai Delgado, and world record holding vegan strongman Patrik Baboumian
It is cruel to kill an animal that doesn't want to die. It is unnecessary cruelty. Vegan diets are nutritionally adequate
Let me ask you, if you had absolutely no need to kill an animal, do you think it would be wrong to kill the animal?
Let me ask you, if you had absolutely no need to kill an animal, do you think it would be wrong to kill the animal?
First tell me how that's related.
I'm happy to have an exchange of ideas, but I'm not going to play games.
First tell me how that's related.
I'm happy to have an exchange of ideas, but I'm not going to play games.
We have no need to be killing these animals.
We have no *need* to be killing these animals.
cows ... serve no purpose but food
Do you have a source for that claim or are you making it because we've domesticated them instead of, say, a lion? Where do you draw that line? What makes eating a horse any more right or wrong, morally, than eating a pig or Fluffy sleeping in the corner?
It is so complicated
No it's not. It's very simple: In our age with our current resources, there is no reason that we must kill an animal for food.
Therefore, if you want to avoid products which involved the killing of an animal, feel free to do so. If you want to let others know that there is an option, feel free. But to tell someone they are wrong for eating an animal is itself wrong. And, in reverse, telling someone who suggests the same is wrong is itself wrong.
>cows ... serve no purpose but food
Do you have a source for that claim or are you making it because we've domesticated them instead of, say, a lion? Where do you draw that line? What makes eating a horse any more right or wrong, morally, than eating a pig or Fluffy sleeping in the corner?
>It is so complicated
No it's not. It's very simple: In our age with our current resources, there is no reason that we *must* kill an animal for food.
Therefore, if you want to avoid products which involved the killing of an animal, feel free to do so. If you want to let others know that there is an option, feel free. But to tell someone they are wrong for eating an animal is itself wrong. And, in reverse, telling someone who suggests the same is wrong is itself wrong.
It's very simple:
You've ignored many questions when you make that statement. It is demonstrably false, just look at some of the comments here for proof its not simple.
Do you have a source for that claim
Really? Do you think there are 'wild' cows? Do you think cows were naturally created?
I don't need a source for common knowledge, but use google if you need.
tell someone they are wrong for eating an animal is itself wrong. And, in reverse, telling someone who suggests the same is wrong is itself wrong
Having an opinion, and being open to discussion is wrong?
I disagree.
there is no reason that we must kill an animal for food.
There is not reason you must do anything. That's an empty argument.
There are plenty of reasons to though. Health of humans, and health/welfare of the animals are two big ones.
I'm not going into detail and repeating myself, you can read the other comments where I've already covered this.
> It's very simple:
You've ignored many questions when you make that statement. It is demonstrably false, just look at some of the comments here for proof its not simple.
> Do you have a source for that claim
Really? Do you think there are 'wild' cows? Do you think cows were naturally created?
I don't need a source for common knowledge, but use google if you need.
> tell someone they are wrong for eating an animal is itself wrong. And, in reverse, telling someone who suggests the same is wrong is itself wrong
Having an opinion, and being open to discussion is wrong?
I disagree.
> there is no reason that we must kill an animal for food.
There is not reason you *must* do anything. That's an empty argument.
There are plenty of reasons to though. Health of humans, and health/welfare of the animals are two big ones.
I'm not going into detail and repeating myself, you can read the other comments where I've already covered this.
Since you're not going to provide any evidence for your claims, I'm going to dismiss them without any evidence.
But if you want to continue to insist that "common sense" is all the evidence you need, I suggest you perhaps read this: https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/197/Appeal-to-Common-Sense
You are, of course, welcome to believe anything you choose. But when you stand forth and provide your point of view as fact and claim that anyone challenging that point of view as wrong but provide nothing to support yourself, you're only arguing to hear your own voice and pontificate for your own pride. I will not feed a self-damaging ego. This discussion ends here as to do anything else would be self-abuse and abuse of you.
I do hope you consider learning how to discuss instead of argue. It will help you in your interpersonal relationships, particularly with family.
Since you're not going to provide any evidence for your claims, I'm going to dismiss them without any evidence.
But if you want to continue to insist that "common sense" is all the evidence you need, I suggest you perhaps read this: https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/197/Appeal-to-Common-Sense
You are, of course, welcome to believe anything you choose. But when you stand forth and provide your point of view as fact and claim that anyone challenging that point of view as wrong but provide nothing to support yourself, you're only arguing to hear your own voice and pontificate for your own pride. I will not feed a self-damaging ego. This discussion ends here as to do anything else would be self-abuse and abuse of you.
I do hope you consider learning how to discuss instead of argue. It will help you in your interpersonal relationships, particularly with family.
You're asserting that as a fact, when it is a subjective opinion.
Life feeds on life, that is the 'natural' order. Do you think a lion is evil? Should we put animals on vegan diets?
I don't blame you if you feel bad about eating animals, and choose not to.
But please don't imply a bunch of self righteous crap about morality. Even the most basic look at it will show things are far more complex than your post makes it sound.
Should cows be given a genocidal euthanization since they serve no purpose but food, and will go extinct without cultivation?
What did the cows do to you?
Do you think cows and other animals on small farms, have it worse, or better than the wild? Or do you understand that in captivity they can have a better life. And hunting wild animals can improve life for the entire region.
It is so complicated, that trying to oversimplify it like that doesn't seem like a genuine attempt.