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Radical free speech is important and a cornerstone of the US. Yeah, you've got some real shitheads on voat but also a lot of decent people that just don't hold the previously approved PC opinions. The internet was way better before it began to coalesce into megacorps like google, fb, and reddit. Instead of defending free speech they caved to advertisers. The issue w/ that is someone is always pissed off by something and the smallest groups shout the loudest. Now we've got a situation that's gotten out of hand and even regular conservatives are targeted. Voat is basically a concentration camp for free speech online. They've rounded up all the "wrongthinkers" and sent them to one place.

Before reddit and that Mountain Dew (the hitler did nothing wrong naming contest) troll happened /pol/ was libertarian more or less believe it or not. The PC left is Frankenstein and Voat's their monster. Assholes were fewer and farther between online before they all got shipped to the same place.

When you start inventing shit like "micro aggressions" and telling everyone their racist nonstop... I could provide a thousand other examples. The left has even managed to bring back segregation on college campuses only this time they're called "safe spaces" and black only dorms.

The Radical Left and the Far Right are every bit as bad as each other and more alike than they are different. They both have a need to be authoritarian in order to stay in power. (Horseshoe Theory)

Reddit, Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, etc. have no shortage of racists. They've just got the "right kind" in our weird double-standard culture.

Radical free speech is important and a cornerstone of the US. Yeah, you've got some real shitheads on voat but also a lot of decent people that just don't hold the previously approved PC opinions. The internet was way better before it began to coalesce into megacorps like google, fb, and reddit. Instead of defending free speech they caved to advertisers. The issue w/ that is someone is always pissed off by something and the smallest groups shout the loudest. Now we've got a situation that's gotten out of hand and even regular conservatives are targeted. Voat is basically a concentration camp for free speech online. They've rounded up all the "wrongthinkers" and sent them to one place. Before reddit and that Mountain Dew (the hitler did nothing wrong naming contest) troll happened /pol/ was libertarian more or less believe it or not. The PC left is Frankenstein and Voat's their monster. Assholes were fewer and farther between online before they all got shipped to the same place. When you start inventing shit like "micro aggressions" and telling everyone their racist nonstop... I could provide a thousand other examples. The left has even managed to bring back segregation on college campuses only this time they're called "safe spaces" and black only dorms. The Radical Left and the Far Right are every bit as bad as each other and more alike than they are different. They both have a need to be authoritarian in order to stay in power. (Horseshoe Theory) Reddit, Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, etc. have no shortage of racists. They've just got the "right kind" in our weird double-standard culture.

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[–] E-werd 0 points (+0|-0)

I think it's wrong to assume that the places that provide free speech and anonymity or pseudonymity do not reflect real people's opinions.

I get what you're saying, but I disagree. I would define a person's real self as the one you'll see in the real world. All things that matter take place in the real world, outside of the internet. Politicians are real people, your coworkers are real people, your friends are real people. Sure, they may have different views in their minds than they admit to outwardly, but what does it matter if they would never act on it? What's a powerful bark if the dog will never bite?
[–] PhuksNewfag 0 points (+0|-0)

This might change overtime as the overton window (what is socially acceptable to say) changes. It will also influence whom they vote for and what they'll teach their children in the privacy of their home.

All things that matter take place in the real world, outside of the internet.

Donald trump certainly didn't get elected because of positive mainstream media coverage, I think it's fair to say that it was the internet that elected him. If the internet, and it was mostly limited to a handful of communities partially quarantined from the rest of the internet, can elect a president despite non-stop negative media coverage, it probably matters a lot.

Also almost every major political movement started as a fringe group, including the political correct movement that was made fun of by monty python 50 years ago and no one really took serious. Or Christianity. Or the Nazis, who went from 2.5% to >40% in less than 5 years.

http://histoire.museeholocauste.ca/data/timelines/gen/images/large/Chart_NaziPartyRise_ENG.jpg

We might be one financial depression away from the alt-right becoming a mainstream movement.
[–] E-werd 0 points (+0|-0)

http://histoire.museeholocauste.ca/data/timelines/gen/images/large/Chart_NaziPartyRise_ENG.jpg

Wow, that jump in 1933 had me looking for a timetable of events and I wasn't disappointed. That's a lot of major events to happen in short succession, it reminds me of the October Revolution in Russia. Wikipedia: 1933 in Germany, October Revolution: Insurrection

Donald trump certainly didn't get elected because of positive mainstream media coverage, I think it's fair to say that it was the internet that elected him.

Well, I'll agree that it played a big part in the rest of the country. I'm not sure about the area you live in--we've already hinted that we may be in totally different areas--but around here Trump got a lot of word-of-mouth. I'm in a major swing state that got Trump elected--Pennsylvania. It was a spectacle to behold, supporters came out of the woodwork. If the people didn't outright support him, they wanted to blow shit up (the camp I was in). The rest of them just didn't want to see another Clinton or Obama-like character. The Obama years were not positive overall for Pennsylvania.

We might be one financial depression away from the alt-right becoming a mainstream movement.

I'm not going to disagree, and I'm worried about that.
[–] PhuksNewfag 0 points (+0|-0)

I'm not sure about the area you live in

I live in the EU, when it comes to Trump those that only watch TV and popular newspapers are either very anti Trump, or some do believe that he's the second coming of Hitler and like him because of that out of spite. Whereas those that read english boards or follow skeptics on youtube etc. seem to have a more positive or at least neutral opinion on him.

It's really funny to remind the former people that they were already convinced like a dozen times that Trump will end the world and start ww3 tomorrow, I like the self-reflective face they make when they for the first time question their constant state of hysteria.

I'm not going to disagree, and I'm worried about that.

I think it's inevitable, at least in europe. The refugee crisis is a financial burden but even if the economy will do well, the jews as far as I know were fairly well integrated into germany and did not drive trucks through christmas markets or did something like the rotherham child rape scandal. If tragedies like this repeat themselves they might be sufficient to trigger similar events.

A conspiracy theory of mine which I cannot prove, it's just something I consider plausible, is that this might be an intentional setup, maybe some people with power foresaw that continuously increasing inflation and national debt would eventually collapse western governments and they'd rather see scapegoat get the blame for that.

It worries me as well, I think it will be really ugly.
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