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Calm

Calm what? Am I not allowed to call out bad behaviour, or do you think I'm upset? I'm not sure what you mean.

That escalated quickly.

No, it didn't 'escalate' at all.
Do you also think his comment was a reasonable way to start a genuine conversation?

If you think confronting passive aggression with an honest rebuke is an 'escalation' then we're going to have to disagree. Prepare to see a lot of 'escalation'.
Because I call out bullshit when I see it.

[–] jidlaph 2 points (+2|-0)

Am I not allowed to call out bad behavior, or do you think I'm upset? I'm not sure what you mean.

The latter. It read like you yourself got triggered and were a hairsbreadth away from going FULL CAPS.

Do you also think his comment was a reasonable way to start a genuine conversation?

Yes.

If you think confronting passive aggression with an honest rebuke is an 'escalation' then we're going to have to disagree.

It doesn't come across as a mere 'rebuke'.

It's his passive aggressive way of making it a personal attack that I have an issue with.

In contrast, your response came across as a straight-up aggressive personal attack.

He's got a long history of it. He shows up to start fires, not have reasonable discussions. You probably should know that by now though.

I might just not read enough comments.

[–] InnocentBystander 0 points (+0|-0) Edited

The latter. It read like you yourself got triggered and

I went back and had another look. I don't see it. I think you're confusing hostility and anger. They are not always linked.

It doesn't come across as a mere 'rebuke'.

Rebuke, verb: express sharp disapproval or criticism of (someone) because of their behavior or actions.
Seems pretty accurate to me.

In contrast, your response came across as a straight-up aggressive personal attack.

In contrast, I was honest about my purpose and intent. The aggression did not start with me. And I never attacked his person, I attacked his behaviour.
If you want an example of how to make it personal look at his comment. He mis-attributes the quote in an effort to attack the person instead of the point.

If your point is that I am being a hostile asshole toward Unruly. I plead guilty, and I'm not sorry.
If your point is that Unruly doesn't have malicious intent, or that you think he was being genuine, then you're wrong.

Compare my treatment of you, to him. You bring rational points and attempt discussion. You clearly don't agree with me, or see things in the same light, but you have stayed on point, not made it about feelings, not moved goals, tried to score points, etc.
So I do my best to return the same.

Unrulys intentions are malicious, so that is how I treat him. He uses passive aggressive jabs to disrupt attempts at real discussion. It's a symptom of the highlander politics that he subscribes to. Just because he is more subtle than others does not make him any better.
Note, I am not trying to justify, just explaining.

[–] jidlaph 2 points (+2|-0)

I think you're confusing hostility and anger. They are not always linked.

Granted they are not always linked, but by that metric his own comment can be taken as hostile without anger; yours seemed more angered.

Rebuke, verb: express sharp disapproval or...

Fair enough

He mis-attributes the quote in an effort to attack the person instead of the point.

I'm having a hard time understanding what you mean. Are you objecting that he puts responsibility for the quote/Hogg juxtaposition on Grumpy as opposed to the memist? Arguably, those that spread a false quote bear some of the responsibility. I mean, there are plenty of image macros that attribute Abraham Lincoln as saying "Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.", but spreading that as a true quote is mildly irresponsible.