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[–] Owlchemy 4 points (+4|-0)

And the US and our allies have similar programs and have interfered with elections and governments everywhere, too. It's the way of the modern world. In fact not necessarily even the 'modern' world, but a statement true throughout recorded history.

[–] E-werd [OP] 2 points (+3|-1) Edited

That's true, no doubt. The difference now is how easy it is to access normal people directly with social media. With Putin's/Russia's push to strengthen its military and influence in the world it appears they're pushing harder than ever to polarize the west and cause infighting to in turn discredit our political systems. Sure, there's been plenty done before, events surrounding Vietnam and Iran come to mind, but it's never been so successful as it is now.

The US is losing and I have a stake in that loss since I'm a citizen.

[–] Owlchemy 4 points (+4|-0)

We do all that stuff on our own, a fraction of discord from abroad does little. You don't think the Chinese are doing the same ... or we aren't interfering behind the scenes in Iran or even N. Korea. Yes, the internet makes overt operations more accessible, but every first world country dedicates vast resources (US intelligence agencies as an example) to doing far more in the dark. I seriously don't think we're losing. We just don't know what we're not supposed to know.

[–] E-werd [OP] 1 points (+2|-1)

Who knows, maybe on a government level we are winning, but at social level I can't see how we could be.

We just don't know what we're not supposed to know.

Who can you even trust? Everybody has an angle. I just saw a headline from CNN that was to the effect of, "Florida denies AR15 ban as survivors look on". The news was that the ban didn't pass, but the spin is that the survivors of the tragedy are watching and disapprove. You have to filter everything you see and it's exhausting.

I want sources that filter the opinions and influence, but they don't seem to exist. AP and local news sources are the closest I've seen. Everything is emotionally charged and adds far too much supplement to fact. The signal-to-noise ratio makes almost everything literally incredible.

[–] PhunkyPlatypus 1 points (+1|-0)

It's interesting to see the conspiracy theories that are still alive and kicking today. I certainly know at least one person who believes in every one of those. I'm curious if they are even more prevalent today due to the internet.

Of course, it would also be a the perfect cover to discredit any of these theories if they were actually true.

[–] xyzzy 2 points (+2|-0)

it would also be a the perfect cover to discredit any of these theories if they were actually true.

I've heard the term "conspiracy theory" was coins by a cold war US operation of this kind.

[–] PhunkyPlatypus 1 points (+1|-0)

If I recall it was the negative connotations that are now associated with that term.

This of course was during the 60's era of sketchy CIA stuff like the bay of pigs, Operation Northwoods and MK Ultra.

[–] [Deleted] 0 points (+1|-1)

You realise this is a historic article?

[–] E-werd [OP] 3 points (+4|-1) Edited

It's still very much a part of modern operations, though. It includes the FSB.

EDIT: I'm not sure if I've addressed what you said, please clarify if I didn't.