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For any others who are mostly ignorant of Dutch politics, but interested in how the freedom party (anti-immigration, pro-people), party did, VVD = Freedom party.

Since it is all about coalitions in the Netherlands, what level of influence does this give Them? If I understand right, getting the most votes doesn't mean much if enough of the other party's band together against them.

[–] Boukert [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

PVV = freedom party / wilders / populist right

VVD = PM Rutte / right liberals


Name of the game is getting 76 seats with a coalition. Biggest coalition party provides the PM (VVD) and no one is forced to work with any other party, no matter which party won.

To form a coalition with these results would need atleast a 4 party coalition looking at it.

VVD has made a strong statement not wanting to rule with PVV (they dropped the cabinet a few years back so there is old pain) and CDA didnt want to either so Wilders is benched to the opposition again.

So logically it would be VVD, CDA, D66 and a small 4th party

The formation circus will go full swing for the next weeks so we will see


There is no set time limit to complete the formation. Usually its done in a few weeks. with 4-5 parties it usually takes longer especially since neither the right or left has a majority. I'd guess 6-8 weeks based on earlier formations.

Belgium had big problems forming a coalition a few years back, took them 1,5 years then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9311_Belgian_political_crisis

OK, my mistake. They still did alright, but not as well as I thought.

It's a confusing system you use, but seems to be far more democratic than what we have in the Americas.

I wish Canada would start using coalitions. We're a dominantly left leaning population that ends up with a conservative government as often as not because of our less than representative system.
Note that when I say left, it is closer to a European style left and less like the authoritarian left that has infected the American Democratic party. But we are sliding that way.

Our current Liberal (TM) overlords promised electoral reform, but that was just a lie to get into office.

I am becoming so jaded. I want the best for you because I would love to see someone end up with a mature and democratic representation.

Good luck.

[–] Boukert [OP] 2 points (+2|-0)

It's a lot better then the two party dictatorships in the Americas in my opinion.

  • The system represents minorities

  • promotes cooperation

  • is 100% democratic

  • offers nuance

  • if you disagree with a party you voted on, you can switch to a likeminded party instead of having to walk over the line towards the other side.

It also has drawbacks:

  • we do not directly choose our PM

  • With cooperation and coalition come compromises


TBH I am happy Wilders didn't win big, I was dreading this. Imagine how the Turkey crisis would go if Wilders would be the PM versus Erdogan....

I also like being in the EU and see the tremendous profits for a trading country like ours in an open bordered EU. Leaving will cost us so many $ it would wreck us.