Nothing new. Iran has had "Death to America" rallies since 1979.
No fucking shit, they have every reason to, "Donny the devider's" actions have only justified and fueled this rethoric even more..... But yeah US allies with US bases like Egypt, Turkey and fucking KSA are just the same as Iran..........
It looks more like an appeasement process. That didn't work in pre-WW2 Europe, and it won't work here.
Yeah the Nazi's and Palestinians have so much in common...... If anyone is the nazi aggressor in this whole example/kerfuffle it's the fucking Isreali's occupying illegal land and systematically oppressing it's inhabitants ..
"peace in the middle east is hard" ..... I have no clue what you want to achieve with the politico quote from 20 years ago....
Meh. They can't afford to stop jerking our chain. What's the alternative? Lose another invasion?
Just a plain oldfashion new intifada...... Who's jerking who's chain anyway? Donny just created what the region desperatly doesnt need after all the US caused ISIS bullshit....more fire...
He's created a bargaining chip out of thin air. If they genuinely care about this, they have a year or two to give us something to make it stop. Or four years and we call it a consulate instead of an embassy.
This especially is total nonsense, as anyone with eyes can clearly see Dodgy Donny did the direct opposite....... He threw fuel on a slumbering process and there ain't no fucking bargening chip there anymore...... Give you something??? You mean besides their forcefully occupied land, tolerating more illegal orthodox jewish settlements on the wrong side of the border and daily live being systematically deregulated by the Isreali's...... That 2-4 year timeline alone shows typical Murican ignorance... just keep projecting and adjusting your narrative on dodgy Donny so it keeps fitting....., member last year when you where praising him for his isolationism rethoric.....
whole example/kerfuffle it's the fucking Israeli's occupying illegal land
I think this is the crux of our disagreement. As far as I can tell they took it fair and square. Arab nations want to cry foul after invading their neighbor and losing? That dog don't hunt.
systematically oppressing its inhabitants
This is a more muddy issue, but I hear much about Palestinian propaganda in this area. Such as using excessively shoddy construction so that Israel is obligated to knock down the 'school' for building code violations. Pocket the saved expense to buy more weapons.
I have no clue what you want to achieve with the politico quote from 20 years ago
It highlights that at least one side (quite possibly both) does not want peace. I'm not saying peace in the Middle East is hard; I think it's nigh-impossible short of the literal Apocalypse.
Just a plain oldfashion new intifada
For something this petty? It's almost like they're just looking for an excuse. Even if we assume that Israel is wrong to hold East Jerusalem, they controlled West Jerusalem from the start of this mess. There should be nothing controversial about a country putting its embassy there.
member last year when you where praising him for his isolationism rhetoric
Doing the right thing despite international pressure? To me this pretty much embodies that ideal. It's not like he's putting the Iraeli embassy in Istanbul against Turkey's wishes.
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I think this is the crux of our disagreement. As far as I can tell they took it fair and square. Arab nations want to cry foul after invading their neighbor and losing? That dog don't hunt.
Thats the whole point between the rest of the world and the US/Isreal stance in this fucking issue.... Based on international law Isreal's occupation is still considered fucking illegal. But am I right in concluding you are actually advocating muscle diplomacy and pure landgrab now? So China's occupation of Tibet, Russia's intervention in Ukraine and Turkish occupation of Northern Cyprus are all fair and square?
This is a more muddy issue, but hear much about Palestinian propaganda in this area. Such as using excessively shoddy construction so that Israel is obligated to knock down the 'school' for building code violations. Pocket the saved expense to buy more weapons.
This is not a motherfucking muddy issue by a fucking longshot and convinces me you are not read up/well informed on this conflict at all. Really you should check proper sources and history books on this because i can't even begin to point out "fake news" and "bias" in this remark. This is by far the most ignorant thing i've heard about this conflict in the past few years, it could even be a fucking Trump tweet and smells like weak breitbart bullshit all around.
Apart from the whole shrinking palestinian area's, walls, seperate checkpoints and general treatment as second rate citizens/ apartheid circumstances here's some fucking links, i got plenty more if you're done with them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy#Crime_of_apartheid_and_Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahr_El-Baqar_primary_school_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafr_Qasim_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2016/05/10/israel-sloopt-in-hoog-tempo-wat-europa-betaalt-1617665-a702321 Dutch article about IDF systematically destroying humanitarian projects funded by the EU in occupied territory
Oh and I'm well aware the palestinians/HAMAS/Hezbollah/PLO etc are bastards as well!
It highlights that at least one side (quite possibly both) does not want peace. I'm not saying peace in the Middle East is hard; I think it's nigh-impossible short of the literal Apocalypse.
One 20 year old example, with the previous generation of leaders..... bravo...... This has no context here. And yes this is one of the most complex issues in modern history where Jews and Muslims (of all people) are in conflicting interests. It might be mindboggling to you but there are actually multiple parties involved here on both sides. Off whom some want peace on both sides and some dont want peace on both sides... Just ask those asshole orthodox settlers taking more and more land. Might be to nuanced for murican viewpoints.....
For something this petty? It's almost like they're just looking for an excuse. Even if we assume that Israel is wrong to hold East Jerusalem, they controlled West Jerusalem from the start of this mess. There should be nothing controversial about a country putting its embassy there.
I could divert you to this comment as this is basically the same remark you made earlier, but I hate repeating myself;
Making an international diplomatic move in a century old, highly tense conflict and calling it petty......really? It's not just the fucking embassy, it's the acknoledgment of Jerusalem as capital ..... This was planned somewhere along the peaceprocess and Trump just took a fucking shortcut undermining everything build over the last decades. Donny just waisted all trust and goodwill built over 2 decades while fueling hate in the region and purposly destabilising the region for something "petty" like this.....It has shown again that the US is not a trustworthy partner on a global scale.... And no this move is not something petty to the ones stuck in this conflict even though you keep mentioning this to yourself, repetition does not make it true....
You know what Petty is? Petty is REEEEEEING about NFL players taking a knee, getting into twitterfights with anyone who is critical towards you using all caps and incoherent sentences....... that's true petty.....
Doing the right thing despite international pressure? To me this pretty much embodies that ideal. It's not like he's putting the Iraeli embassy in Istanbul against Turkey's wishes.
Total bullshit and your example is making 0 sense....... If I have to be blatantly honest you've shown to not be informed enough about this to even have a remote idea what "the right thing" is..... the whole world rejected this move.... still it's the right thing ofcourse, because the rest of the world rejected it, it has to be according to good ole fashion redneck ignorant fee fees logic...............
Nothing new. Iran has had "Death to America" rallies since 1979.
It looks more like an appeasement process. That didn't work in pre-WW2 Europe, and it won't work here.
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Meh. They can't afford to stop jerking our chain. What's the alternative? Lose another invasion?
He's created a bargaining chip out of thin air. If they genuinely care about this, they have a year or two to give us something to make it stop. Or four years and we call it a consulate instead of an embassy.