[–] Kannibal [OP] -1 points (+0|-1)

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at that point you start subdivided the races you discover there are 40+ physically identifiable varieties of people (pygmy vs Inuit vs Alpine european etc)

Artists have to know this stuf so they can do accurate drawings, etc.

see https://www.deviantart.com/majnouna/art/Guide-to-Human-Types-part-1-32046017

so you need to decided which are good and bad for your purposes. and the dividing lines are not always convenient.

as to the article

Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, a New York Democrat, made the reveal on Sunday evening at a Jackson Heights synagogue in Queens, telling the crowd that “a very, very long time ago, generations and generations ago, my family consisted of Sephardic Jews.”

She dated her ancestry to those who had to flee Europe during the Spanish Inquisition more than 500 years ago, and sought refuge in the New World. “Some of those people landed in Puerto Rico,” she explained.

“As is the story of Puerto Rico, we are a people that are an amalgamation,” she said. “We are no one thing. We are black; we are indigenous; we are Spanish; we are European.”

how many generations back is sufficient to be "pure enough" for your standards?

because, for example, because of mixing over the generations, all modern europeans also have literal descent from Mohammed. But that obviously does not make you Islamic, to be shot on site.

see: http://nicholasjames19.blogspot.com/2016/01/you-are-most-likely-descendant-of.html

If you a Western European, or a North American or, perhaps, from the Western world in some way, shape or form, you are most likely a descendant of the Prophet Muḥammad ibn‘Abdu’llāh (c. 570 – 632 AD), the Revealer of the Qur’ān, the Messenger of God and Seal of the Prophets (peace and prayers be upon Him and His family and companions).

In my case, He is my 45th-great-grandfather (or, in other words, my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-Grandfather, with a capital ‘G’), through a rather circuitous line via New England settlers, the Plantagenets and the Spanish royal family).

In fact, anyone with any connection to Edward III of England or to the Spanish Royal Family is also descended through the same European route to antiquity, including Elizabeth II, Prince Charles, Prince William and Prince George.[i] Cole, a Middle East scholar, even goes so far as to call it ‘common knowledge to anyone interested in genealogy’

If you are descendant of every European of that period who left a line of descendants continuing to the modern day, you are also a descendant of every Arab and North African Muslim settler of Spain who left descendants.

In 2013, geneticists Peter Ralph and Graham Coop showed that all Europeans are descended from exactly the same people. Basically, everyone alive in the ninth century who left descendants is the ancestor of every living European today, including Charlemagne, Drogo, Pippin and more. Including all those pesky Islamic people in Spain. And every Jew then alive in Europe too

you too

so that 1% of jewish noise in the genome is sufficient to label you will all characteristics you hate, just like you label her.

how fitting. proof positive of your "secret heritage", with the same quality of proof that you used against her

Science!

at that point you start subdivided the races you discover there are 40+ physically identifiable varieties of people (pygmy vs Inuit vs Alpine european etc) Artists have to know this stuf so they can do accurate drawings, etc. see https://www.deviantart.com/majnouna/art/Guide-to-Human-Types-part-1-32046017 so you need to decided which are good and bad for your purposes. and the dividing lines are not always convenient. --- as to the article > Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, a New York Democrat, made the reveal on Sunday evening at a Jackson Heights synagogue in Queens, telling the crowd that “a very, very long time ago, generations and generations ago, my family consisted of Sephardic Jews.” > > She dated her ancestry to those who had to flee Europe during the Spanish Inquisition more than 500 years ago, and sought refuge in the New World. “Some of those people landed in Puerto Rico,” she explained. > > “As is the story of Puerto Rico, we are a people that are an amalgamation,” she said. “We are no one thing. We are black; we are indigenous; we are Spanish; we are European.” how many generations back is sufficient to be "pure enough" for your standards? because, for example, because of mixing over the generations, all modern europeans also have literal descent from Mohammed. But that obviously does not make you Islamic, to be shot on site. see: http://nicholasjames19.blogspot.com/2016/01/you-are-most-likely-descendant-of.html > If you a Western European, or a North American or, perhaps, from the Western world in some way, shape or form, you are most likely a descendant of the Prophet Muḥammad ibn‘Abdu’llāh (c. 570 – 632 AD), the Revealer of the Qur’ān, the Messenger of God and Seal of the Prophets (peace and prayers be upon Him and His family and companions). > > In my case, He is my 45th-great-grandfather (or, in other words, my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-Grandfather, with a capital ‘G’), through a rather circuitous line via New England settlers, the Plantagenets and the Spanish royal family). > >In fact, anyone with any connection to Edward III of England or to the Spanish Royal Family is also descended through the same European route to antiquity, including Elizabeth II, Prince Charles, Prince William and Prince George.[i] Cole, a Middle East scholar, even goes so far as to call it ‘common knowledge to anyone interested in genealogy’ > > If you are descendant of every European of that period who left a line of descendants continuing to the modern day, you are also a descendant of every Arab and North African Muslim settler of Spain who left descendants. In 2013, geneticists Peter Ralph and Graham Coop showed that all Europeans are descended from exactly the same people. Basically, everyone alive in the ninth century who left descendants is the ancestor of every living European today, including Charlemagne, Drogo, Pippin and more. Including all those pesky Islamic people in Spain. And every Jew then alive in Europe too you too so that 1% of jewish noise in the genome is sufficient to label you will all characteristics you hate, just like you label her. how fitting. proof positive of your "secret heritage", with the same quality of proof that you used against her Science!

[–] ScorpioGlitch 1 points (+1|-0)

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Artists have to know this stuf so they can do accurate drawings

You do know you're talking to one, right? Just checking...

But that obviously does not make you Islamic, to be shot on site.

Apples and oranges. Islam is a religion, Jewish is a race. Make a better point, one that directly refutes her claims to heritage. Perhaps you didn't see me where I was talking about... this?

I can live on a reservation if I want so stop using "indigenous people" as a political talking point.

Yeah, I've done the requisite ancestry trace to the Dawes Rolls. There's more indigenous in me than she has in her pinky toe.

showed that all Europeans are descended from exactly the same people

Yeah, you really missed my point there.

Let's add to it that she shouldn't be making a claim to a race if it's all dispersed by now. Either she is or she isn't. But she claimed she is so I'm going right along with it. You're not arguing with me here because you're literally trying to say that she's wrong.

Aaannnnd finally, that whole "what about Europeans" is a fine case of a Russian tactic called "What-aboutism." It's a way to try to claim that the other person should have nothing to say because they're wrong on their own account or some nonsense. Except this time you assumed my race

LOL

Are you done just being mad because race talk ist verbotten? Or do you have a legitimate point to make? Because I'd really like to see you get to it sometime today.

Edit: I can edit my posts too, in order to make them look like something else was said from that start.

[–] Kannibal [OP] -1 points (+0|-1)

well we know Puerto rico has a real mixed bag when it comes to ancestry. Puerto Ricans, on average, have genetic contributions from Europeans, West Africans, and Native Americans of approximately 66%, 18%, and 16%, respectively.

We know there were Jewish refugees from spain there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Puerto_Rico

so she owns having a jewish ancestor someplace in the family tree, and you conflate the is being 100% jewish.

The question remains, how main generations is sufficient to remove stain her credibility?

[–] ScorpioGlitch 1 points (+1|-0)

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You're proceeding from the false assumption that she has any credibility to begin with, lulz...

But, since you want an answer...It's the same answer for anyone who owned slaves and has a statue taken down. Or wrote a critically important book about growing up as settlers but is now defamed because of a few "bad words" regarding race. Or maybe lied and got a bunch of Americans killed and then continued to violate laws. Or the same amount of time that it takes to forget that abortion isn't about viability and never was (cough New York cough). Or the exactly same definition for being Native American - or maybe getting your citizenship for Ireland.

I honestly think you're just mad that someone showed up and used the same race card against her that she tried (and failed) to use. See, what you have there is called "cognitive dissonance." You can't reconcile your thoughts and beliefs when the argument is effectively turned around. You're just trying to prove racism where none exists and quite honestly, it's hilarious. But on a more serious note, you should stop trying to be offended on behalf of other people. Because you're doing the exact same thing Cortez is doing. and honestly, it's insulting because you're saying that these "other" people either don't have the intelligence to be offended for themselves or are incapable of standing up for themselves. And that, sir/madam, deserves a "How dare you" because it's just another form of racism.

Ocasio-Cortez outrages Republicans by refusing to respect their ignorance - Drama ensues

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LOL

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