Not really in relation to covid
no, they definitely said numerous times during the press conferences last year that healthy lifestyle choices were the best defense.
The leaders who did it best at least didn't give into the hysteria and shut everything down.
tell that to new zealand and australia.
i'm not trying to say they are doing a perfect job but they are doing the best they can in a hard situation. its not reasonable to expect no push back but its also still not reasonable to make up your own story about who these people are and what makes them tick that suits your own political desires.
tell that to new zealand and australia.
Before we get into the game of comparing Sweden with Norway, the UK with Spain, the US and Australia, California with Florida etc let's realize that this is obviously a multivariate problem and there is no single policy (masks, lockdowns, contact tracing) that leads to predictable, positive results. Single country comparisons and lessons don't necessarily translate into useful policy because it is a combination of all the factors in that country that drive outcome (e.g. population density, culture, genetics, climate, global connectedness, government policy, healthcare, luck), and the interaction of those factors is complex and a far bigger determinant of outcome than any single simple policy. It seems the countries that have had the best outcomes are isolated, remote nations (Australia/New Zealand/Taiwan/Pacific islands) or competent totalitarian states (China/Vietnam). Applying the policy from one of these places to another place won't work in the same way trying to grow grapes in Greenland won't work and it's stupid to just say "why don't they just put their plants out in the sun? We did that in Italy and it worked great. Those Greenlanders are just idiots and need to learn from our lesson." People know these kinds of univariate comparisons are dumb and that the covid situation involves many factors, but they still try to make these comparisons anyway. Why? Because they can cherry pick some points to support their POV. It's poor reasoning and logical thinking.
its also still not reasonable to make up your own story about who these people are and what makes them tick that suits your own political desires.
You say this like it's a bad thing. It's important to try to understand how people think and what's motivating them. I've given evidence from their own mouths about what they're doing, so it's hardly a case of I'm making up stuff. It's more absurd to just ignore what they're saying and keep repeating how great and trustworthy they are despite the evidence. Where is the evidence for what you say how they're doing the best they can? How could we even possibly know that? Your claim requires knowledge of their internal thoughts whereas mine do not. Let's talk evidence instead of speculation where you believe this and I believe that.
i'm not trying to say that everything that works in the corners of the world would work here, i'm trying to say your statement that "The leaders who did it best at least didn't give into the hysteria and shut everything down." that's patently false. all of the leaders across the globe who did it best all shut things down, name me a country that had a covid outbreak that is now largely under control that didn't shut down massively. they just, for a number of reasons, did a better job at actually controlling the populace so they achieved better results than we can.
how do you know any of the bullshit you spewed about them is real? because they are wealthy and you saw them talking on the boobtube? you are making stuff up about them and passing it off as fact. i'm not trying to say you shouldn't question their policies, i'm not saying they are always right or never lie. they are government workers who have likely earned their position by playing the politics game and are likely at least to some degree corrupt. still, they are our best option in moving through a public health emergency and they act on the guidance of less politically motivated groups.
its like being on a plane whose engine blew out when a bird got sucked into it on takeoff. do you blame the pilot and try to land the plane yourself or do you let the pilot do their job and sort out how they could have done better afterwards?
Yup, we might have seen the same one. The one I played with was some a university in Germany, and by messing around with the parameters I saw there was very, very little risk of transmission unless I'm in a sealed box with 10 other people for an hour doing choir practice. So all the idiots walking around on the sidewalk with masks, running to the other side of the street like I had the plague, or wearing masks while alone in their own cars immediately struck me as antiscientific NPCs. The health leaders have treated us like complete idiots with their stupid jingos of 6ft and wear a mask. I quickly realized I had zero real chance of exposure with my lifestyle, but people still don't understand that good ventilation is just about all you need even a year later. That shows a massive misunderstanding of messaging from the experts.
Just about the only thing Trump did clearly right was shut down entry from the Chinese. Just about all he did egregiously wrong was choosing masks to be the hill to die on. I don't need to say much about him because the media has fairly and unfairly beat that horse dead several times over. I don't endorse cults of personality either, so in general I won't defend or praise specific individuals, and I'm not going to endorse just about any leaders handling of covid. The leaders who did it best at least didn't give into the hysteria and shut everything down.
Not really in relation to covid. Sure if you get on the WHO or CDC website I'm sure you can find some pages about how those are important, but it's not at all a core point of their covid messaging. Their covid messaging is all about the medicalisation of it (pills, vaccines, hospitals, masks, 6ft).
I'd love to hear those reasons. I really would. But that's quite a generous assumption that you're making that they somehow have this superhuman insight into all this in their minds while their actions and predictions were wrong. Occam's razor suggests this is not the case. They're human and fallible, and expertise in one narrow subject doesn't make you better at making decisions in general. If you're right though, they could have just been honest and treated us like adults and we wouldn't have to speculate now on their thought patterns or motivations.
They've actually spoken about all of this at enough length that we can get a pretty idea about what they claim to believe and how they claim to make decisions. As I've already referenced a few times, Faucci has admitted to lying about the masks at the beginning to preserve supply because he thought it was a white lie for the greater good. Like the parachute RCT I referenced, it's pretty easy to decipher the WHO and CDC statements since that's the frame through which they see the world. So I think the real conspiracy theory here is the 5D chess you suggest they're playing where they lied about lying so they could really look out for our health since...
Not about covid specifically, but you should check out the writing of Nassim Taleb if you haven't already. His books cover a lot of these kind of points about chance, experts, expected results, and incentives. It's a good way for thinking about which experts are likely to know what they're talking about and which are just salesmen, conmen, lucky, opportunists, or talking heads. It turns out that spotting bullshit is much easier than fixing tough problems, but sometimes "do no harm" is the solution; if everyone out there is busy drinking themselves silly, you can be the smartest person in the room by just not picking up the bottle.