All the things they beg to be free takes someone's time to produce.
It's only fair that if these people have to give their time for free, people wanting free stuff should start by refusing pay for their time.
But they won't because we all know it's all about "give me free" anyway.
I didn't say anything about farmers, I mentioned healthcare.
People did lead by example. The rest of the developed world has adopted socialised healthcare, and it clearly works. It isn't even more expensive for the vast majority of the population either, in fact it is much, much cheaper than the alternative. As a small example, the US currently pays about 100 dollars for an amount of insulin that people in Europe pay 5-10 dollars for, with large portions of the population being able to get it for free, and insulin is considered to be one of the more expensive common prescriptions here.
Yes we're paying tax, but on the whole we're saving money and people aren't dying or in perpetual debt because they can't afford their prescriptions. To think it is worth sacrificing that safety net for your entire country that can be very easily provided at basically trivial expense, particularly for large companies and extremely wealthy individuals, purely out of the idealistic belief that people shouldn't have anything for free, is stupid at best.
Those socialized healthcare countries pay close to 50% taxes. It's not free. It shifts the burden. It's not my responsibility to work extra hours for you because you can't stop eating large fries and a super sized milkshake for every meal.
If you want to get caught up in minutia in order to say that the whole thing is a fallacious argument, that's all on you but I won't engage it because it all stems from envy.
It's simple: People who claim all these things are human rights need to step up and start working for free and lead by example.
Edit: Gotta love the backpedalling. Dude wants to talk about healthcare in exclusion to anything else but gets unhappy when farmers (the subject of food) is brought up. Whataboutism for me but not for thee.
It does not simply shift the cost of healthcare into tax, that is completely false and seems to be a common American misconception of how it actually works in reality.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42950587
But even if you look only at public money spent on health, the US government's spending on healthcare still outstrips UK government spending, both in terms of the proportion of its GDP (the way we normally measure the size of a country's economy) and in terms of how much it spends per head.
Almost half of US health spending still comes from public money including general taxation - although it's the only country in the G7 to pay publicly for less than 50% of all healthcare that's provided.
Essentially you are paying more money in taxes than we do for healthcare, yet still have a system that prices tens of millions of people out of healthcare. Like I said, the pushback against socialised healthcare that people have in the US is based on idealism, not reality. It's not about paying more, you're already paying for it, you just aren't getting it.
And how are they getting paid? How are farmers getting paid? How are landlords getting paid? How are people going to be compensated for unique resources that they had to acquire? What if I want to be a farmer, are these people gonna give me land and equipment and seeds for free? How would I pay taxes on that land and repairs to equipment? What about the people who produce those seeds? How are they getting paid for their knowledge and time?
You just wanna have all the taxpayers pay that out of their jobs until everything is free? There's no point in working then. You get your house, medical care, food for free. Why bother working?
See, it doesn't work unless you get rid of money entirely. And to do that, it has to be global otherwise you create a "xenophobic" economy that can't trade.
These people should lead by example and show that it's sustainable. They should give for free just what they expect to get for free. Or should they get all the money they would normally have gotten on top of the free stuff?
It's spiteful envy with the only goal of hurting people who have what they don't. Nothing more.