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All the things they beg to be free takes someone's time to produce.

It's only fair that if these people have to give their time for free, people wanting free stuff should start by refusing pay for their time.

But they won't because we all know it's all about "give me free" anyway.

All the things they beg to be free takes someone's time to produce. It's only fair that if these people have to give their time for free, people wanting free stuff should start by refusing pay for their time. But they won't because we all know it's all about "give me free" anyway.

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Okay, good luck getting healthcare without someone else using their time to take care of you.

[–] PMYA 4 points (+4|-0)

But they get paid don't they? Saying healthcare is a right everyone should have is not the same as saying the people providing it should do it for free.

[–] Dii_Casses 0 points (+0|-0)

Saying healthcare is a right everyone should have is not the same as saying the people providing it should do it for free.

It is, if and when throwing more money at the doctors fails to motivate them. At some point you work enough hours that getting paid overtime stops being enticing. So either you find an alternative way to motivate your medical professionals (do it, or else), or compromise on quality.

If we are to claim that healthcare is a human right, it impossible for that to be a right to receive treatment in a hospital from a professional; it would be a right to see to your own treatment. Self-medication, experimentation, medical tourism, "alternative medicine", homeopathy, quackery.

[–] PMYA 1 points (+1|-0)

when throwing more money at the doctors fails to motivate them

What do you mean by this?

Also you are free to seek treatment outside of a healthcare system. Having one in place doe not mean you have to use it, but to be honest I don't see why you would go outside of the system unless it was for some very specific reason like there not being enough specialists within the system itself.

[–] ScorpioGlitch [OP] -1 points (+0|-1) Edited

And how are they getting paid? How are farmers getting paid? How are landlords getting paid? How are people going to be compensated for unique resources that they had to acquire? What if I want to be a farmer, are these people gonna give me land and equipment and seeds for free? How would I pay taxes on that land and repairs to equipment? What about the people who produce those seeds? How are they getting paid for their knowledge and time?

You just wanna have all the taxpayers pay that out of their jobs until everything is free? There's no point in working then. You get your house, medical care, food for free. Why bother working?

See, it doesn't work unless you get rid of money entirely. And to do that, it has to be global otherwise you create a "xenophobic" economy that can't trade.

These people should lead by example and show that it's sustainable. They should give for free just what they expect to get for free. Or should they get all the money they would normally have gotten on top of the free stuff?

It's spiteful envy with the only goal of hurting people who have what they don't. Nothing more.

[–] PMYA 2 points (+2|-0)

I didn't say anything about farmers, I mentioned healthcare.

People did lead by example. The rest of the developed world has adopted socialised healthcare, and it clearly works. It isn't even more expensive for the vast majority of the population either, in fact it is much, much cheaper than the alternative. As a small example, the US currently pays about 100 dollars for an amount of insulin that people in Europe pay 5-10 dollars for, with large portions of the population being able to get it for free, and insulin is considered to be one of the more expensive common prescriptions here.

Yes we're paying tax, but on the whole we're saving money and people aren't dying or in perpetual debt because they can't afford their prescriptions. To think it is worth sacrificing that safety net for your entire country that can be very easily provided at basically trivial expense, particularly for large companies and extremely wealthy individuals, purely out of the idealistic belief that people shouldn't have anything for free, is stupid at best.