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All the things they beg to be free takes someone's time to produce.

It's only fair that if these people have to give their time for free, people wanting free stuff should start by refusing pay for their time.

But they won't because we all know it's all about "give me free" anyway.

All the things they beg to be free takes someone's time to produce. It's only fair that if these people have to give their time for free, people wanting free stuff should start by refusing pay for their time. But they won't because we all know it's all about "give me free" anyway.

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[–] PMYA 2 points (+2|-0)

It does not simply shift the cost of healthcare into tax, that is completely false and seems to be a common American misconception of how it actually works in reality.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42950587

But even if you look only at public money spent on health, the US government's spending on healthcare still outstrips UK government spending, both in terms of the proportion of its GDP (the way we normally measure the size of a country's economy) and in terms of how much it spends per head.

Almost half of US health spending still comes from public money including general taxation - although it's the only country in the G7 to pay publicly for less than 50% of all healthcare that's provided.

Essentially you are paying more money in taxes than we do for healthcare, yet still have a system that prices tens of millions of people out of healthcare. Like I said, the pushback against socialised healthcare that people have in the US is based on idealism, not reality. It's not about paying more, you're already paying for it, you just aren't getting it.

It does not simply shift the cost of healthcare into tax

That's not what I said. You're not very good at this, are you?

[–] PMYA 2 points (+2|-0)

Those socialized healthcare countries pay close to 50% taxes. It's not free. It shifts the burden.

Elaborate? Is that not what you're trying to say? What am I not very good at?

You are referring to a collection of countries that have socialized healthcare. They all also happen to have enormous social welfare programs the combination of which 1. isn't socialized anything and 2. creates taxes around 50% and 3. I'm talking about the whole thing because people in the US who promote "<thing> is a human right" never talk about just healthcare or just food or just housing. While the subjects are each individual, the issue at hand is the "everything is a human right so everything should be free" when it used to be "just healthcare" and the list of "give me free things" has been added to every year.

Stop focusing on the minutia of healthcare (that's what you're kind of failing at here). The minutia is a distraction. The economy of the "everything is a human right" is the issue and it is unsustainable.