Both are very important liberties that the self-proclaimed "liberals" do not support.
Liberalism - Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support civil rights, democracy, secularism, gender and race equality, internationalism and the freedoms of speech, the press, religion and markets.
You should know what a word means before disparaging it.
You cannot have liberty and (enforced) equality, it's contradictory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty
You also completely ignored my point of words being misused. You said that the the founding fathers were "liberals", do you think they were "liberals" as in liberalism or liberals as in Libertarianism?
The American founding fathers were deeply influenced by liberalism. Not Libertarian-ism.
Open a history book. This is basic stuff that you should know if you're going to debate politics with the adults.
You also completely ignored my point
Because I can't find one. Your ranting is only semi-coherent, and does not seem related to the points I made.
Are you aware that north korea is ruled by the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" and that democracy and republic traditionally mean that the country is ruled by people instead of a dictator? The term "res republica" is latin and means "public affair"..........
Economic freedom is a freedom, freedom of association is a freedom. Both are very important liberties that the self-proclaimed "liberals" do not support. Instead they make up new ""freedoms"" like the freedom to not get negative comments on youtube and twitter (hatespeech) or the "freedom" to get hired based on your genitals (gender quotas) or the "freedom" to get """free""" stuff (taken away from families that otherwise could had afforded another child). They don't even see how this infringes on the possibly most important freedom of all, the freedom of speech.
1984 is a good novel about how terms and language get's abused like that (the ministry of "love" being responsible for torture...) It doesn't matter if they call themselves liberals if they do not support liberty. Just as it doesn't matter that north korea's ruling party has the terms democratic and republican in it's name.