83% of Germans don’t want weapons given to Turkey

There's no linked sources here and there's no author name. Those are two bad signs for a news site.

I've searched YouGov's site about this and came up with no poll results for anything with the keyword "germany" nor "turkey". Nor is there anything else related to this.

This looks familiar.

This too.

[–] smallpond [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

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How's your German? The German YouGov website certainly mentions Germany a lot, but I haven't found the article/survey yet.

Your second to last link seems more comprehensive than the rest, and states

The survey was conducted by YouGov between May 16-18 with the participation of 2,026 people.

Edit: Still failing to find a YouGov.de article on this, though I'm not convinced it doesn't exist somewhere (or didn't exist). Can't seem to find a simple list of surveys on the website.

Edit 2: Guess I give up. I appreciate your diligence - if the story is fake I think they did a reasonable job. Think I should just delete it?

[–] E-werd 1 points (+1|-0)

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Yeah, I don't know enough German to navigate. I don't know about deleting, my primary point was to point out the sketchy source.

It seems to me there's some conspiracy (or stupidity) to change people's opinions about either Germany or Turkey here. Check out these two links, which are basically the same situation all over again:

First: https://www.turkishminute.com/2017/07/27/surveys-show-majority-of-germans-avoid-going-on-holiday-to-turkey/

Second: https://stockholmcf.org/surveys-show-majority-of-germans-avoid-going-on-a-holiday-in-turkey/

That second one is the same domain as one I linked up above. I'd personally throw out the lot. What I typically see in these types of "news sites" is that, on top of false news, they'll also be naming each other as sources until it literally loops back around to the original--like an old school web ring.

[–] smallpond [OP] 2 points (+2|-0)

Yeah, I'm not disputing the source's sketchiness. I guess I haven't encountered false news of this magnitude before - will try to look out for it now.

I sent off a couple of emails to see if can get more info, I doubt I'll get any replies though.

@unruly

[–] [Deleted] 1 points (+1|-0)

ANF - Kurdish News Agency

[–] smallpond [OP] 0 points (+0|-0)

Interesting I guess.. is there a point you're making?

[–] [Deleted] 0 points (+0|-0)

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I think it's important to know where a source is coming from. I've flaired this "Questionable Source".

[–] smallpond [OP] 0 points (+0|-0)

E-werd has described why the article is questionable - and those criticisms do extend to the source. I'm not sure what the wikipedia page adds, unless you think being blocked by Turkey somehow makes the source questionable?

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[–] smallpond [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

@unruly @E-werd

YouGov.de were nice enough to reply to my email. They confirmed the survey's existence and said it was commissioned by https://www.frieden-geht.de/ hence they cannot disseminate the results themselves.

Some comments on the survey can be found on https://www.frieden-geht.de/ under "30. MAI 2018", including a link to the survey results, or at least the results that frieden-geht.de wish to release.

I think this vindicates my initial impression that this is not-fake-news (but the journalistic standards could certainly be improved).

[–] E-werd 2 points (+2|-0)

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Wow dude, you've taken this pretty far. I'm legitimately impressed, I appreciate that.

That said, as @unruly mentioned, I'd still question the legitimacy of a survey about exporting arms to a specific country commissioned by an organization that is expressly against exporting arms to anywhere. Yeah, the people they surveyed don't want arms going to Turkey but they're probably just as opposed to sending arms almost anywhere else in a current state of war, too.

It's a judgement call to me--not that I have a dog in this fight to begin with.

Translation courtesy of Google Translate:

We demand:

War weapons and armaments must not be exported!

Important steps on this path are:

No export of war weapons and armaments to human rights violating and warring states

Export ban on small arms and ammunition

No state Hermes guarantees to hedge arms exports

No licenses for replicating German weapons of war

EDIT: To be clear, I'd agree with the sentiment. I'm just arguing journalistic integrity. We both seem to agree on that at different levels regardless.

[–] smallpond [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

@unruly

Yeah, I was aware of the organisation's mission, and didn't think it worthy of mentioning explicitly. That in itself is not something that concerns me - I'm not concerned by the lack of authorship on the article(s) either, as people who speak out against Turkey can face personal consequences.

Obviously I'm concerned by not linking sources for what the articles are saying (I can't imagine why you wouldn't). Perhaps most of all, I'm concerned that YouGov.de said they couldn't communicate the results of the survey to me directly, and apparently, couldn't even link me to the frieden-geht.de page that does give the results. This makes me wonder if results have only been selectively reported. There's even potential for frieden-geht.de to present false results as it looks like YouGov.de can't be bothered checking up on what they're saying - however, I think the risks involved in doing this would be too great for frieden-geht.de. Looks like frieden-geht.de wanted to hedge their bets, and have the option of keeping the survey results to themselves had they not been favorable.

[–] [Deleted] 1 points (+1|-0)

I don't doubt the survey (more than most other surveys) but I think it's been picked up for political purposes by organisations that may have an agenda. Thanks for digging, I think that is what will make this sub worthwhile.

[–] [Deleted] 0 points (+0|-0)

It seems Frieden Get or Peace Goes are a German organisation that campaigns against arms exports, hence the survey.

Questionable Source 83% of Germans don’t want weapons given to Turkey

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We demand:

Important steps on this path are:

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