Turkey does not have an "Arab army", it has a westernised NATO structured military which often practises with other NATO forces. In contrary to most of their Arab cousins Turks are reasonably educated, very nationalistic, very patriotic and Erdogan is not a "fearmongering total dictator" like the heads of most Arab countries. (he's trying to get there though) The main question would be how hard his "Gulenist purge" has struck the military officers.
Turkey can not stand against a tier one military. An American or Russian force could wreck them, rapidly.
I disagree, Turkey has a shitload of high tech anti-air, a very modern inventory, 600k active personell, a shitload of reserves due to conscripts and the Turkish terrain alone is pretty fucked up to fight on. Attrition and losses to any invading force would be very high. And you forgot to account for the nukes at Incirlik.
Putin will most likely use any friction between Turkey and US to improve relations and interests in Turkey anyway, it would only be following his trend of increasing ties for over the last decade.
Binkov on Turkey vs Russia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f-FdlyqA8s - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkTLEOC27-I
It is established history that rattling a saber toward Europe gets positive results. It's standard component of diplomacy. It is unlikely to be as effective on Trump. It could, but I'm hoping not.
Erdogan's only positive result was internal (the yes referendum), nothing postive came from it from EU. I don't think he views Trump/US any different for his internal politics and pro-Kebab speak (and why should he). This is not the first time Erdogan threathened the US in the last year anyway, for example Donny called him "a great guy" right after his visit last time (the one when his security staff started beating protestors in DC).
Turkey does not have an "Arab army"
Yes they do. Did you watch the video?
It is a top-down military with centralized control. Did you forget about the purgings? Did you also fail to learn from the Soviet example?
I'm not sure that referencing a puppet speculating with outdated and inaccurate statistics is an adequate rebuttal.
Again Turkey can not stand against a tier one military. You can buy all the toys, but history has shown that leadership, experience, and moral are far more decisive.
Erdogan's only positive result ..
He got exactly what he wanted, how he wanted, and when he wanted it.
If Europe could effectively deal with Turkey, other nations wouldn't be required to step in.
They need a firm hand. Erdogan now needs a display of force, because he has been coddled too long.
Yes they do. Did you watch the video?
I have seen this video and watched this video multiple times before and altough i do agree with it on most parts in general, it does not apply to Turkey or the Turkish army; like I reasoned in my reply above, Ottomans are not Arabs!
Did you forget about the purgings? Did you also fail to learn from the Soviet example?
"The main question would be how hard his "Gulenist purge" has struck the military officers." quote from my reply above.....
I'm not sure that referencing a puppet speculating with outdated and inaccurate statistics is an adequate rebuttal.
Despite you mocking his presentation, Binkov is actually quite good at his theories and explanations (not perfect), check more of his videos if you are unsure.
He got exactly what he wanted, how he wanted, and when he wanted it.
Yes and Dutch PM Mark Rutte got exactly what he wanted out of it to, just days before the Dutch elections. To be clear I mean the intervention in Rotterdam and sending a message about Erdogan's political campaigning in western EU by denying 1 minister entrance and expelling another from Dutch soil. It was a win-win situation for both politicians.
If Europe could effectively deal with Turkey, other nations wouldn't be required to step in.
Not sure what your context is here. EU world police?
They need a firm hand. Erdogan now needs a display of force, because he has been coddled too long.
I fail to see the justification in this, you suggest war because Erdogan says something hostile? Don't get me wrong; I think Erdogan is an asshole goatfucking disgrace of a man undoing everything Attaturk build up and dragging Turkey back into the stone ages. But he has been democratically elected and has a majority vote behind him... The situation in the country is dispicable and the mass arrests horrid but the warcost alone wouldn't wage up against the possible gains made as any hostility or flexing of US strenght will only empower Erdogan more in his rethoric with his constituents.
Just wondering how you would see the US military handle this "rapidly", if it came to a war between US and Turkey without NATO intervention and without the use of EU/Arab airbases or landbased entrancepoints. Cause I can't think of any scenario that doesn't involve heavy losses for any invading US forces and a logistical nightmare all around.
Don't over estimate it.
Turkey can not stand against a tier one military.
An American or Russian force could wreck them, rapidly.
It is established history that rattling a saber toward Europe gets positive results. It's standard component of diplomacy.
It is unlikely to be as effective on Trump. It could, but I'm hoping not.
Agreed, but I'm hoping he pushes too much and some combination of political maneuvering pushes him places here didn't intend.
Egypt didn't actually want to start the 6-day war in 67. They just wanted to posture, but Jordan called the bluff.
I'd like to see something like that happen.