Guilty by allegiance
No, guilt by direct involvement.
shame about the children
Really? I reject that as a valid argument.
There were children in Germany when Hitler was in power. There were children in the Isis camps. Did you object to bombing them?
I can't follow reasoning that would justify this
They want to live. That is the reasoning.
Palestinians launching rockets tends to interfere with that. If rocketeers hide among civilians, it is the Palestinians fault, not Israels.
it sounds very North-Korean to me.
Again, I expect better from you.
Up your game.
No, guilt by direct involvement.
Like I said before, I cannot follow this black/white rethoric and reject above reply in it's totality.
Palestinians launching rockets tends to interfere with that. If rocketeers hide among civilians, it is the Palestinians fault, not Israels.
Asides your example (which is still disproportionate responses in many cases imo) I was talking about terrorists who commited suicide bombings/attacks, and then the IDF levels the house/appartment/block of families in retaliation. Not open warfare scenarios as you describe in your examples. apples - oranges
I think we reached all we can in our discussion anyway as it seems your view on palestinians seems to be "they are all guilty by direct involvement" and my view is more centrist seeing both hardliner parties as untrustworthy bastard assholes, fuckign over everything for the 90% on both sides that just want to live in peace.'
then the IDF levels the house/appartment/block of families in retaliation.
Citation needed. They bomb the sources.
my view is more centrist seeing both hardliner parties
Your view is not centrist. You use different standards for each side. I hold both sides to the same standard. I am the centrist.
There is no ambiguity here. The Palestinian culture is opposed to peace. Not a few radicals, or extremists. Pop-culture.
That is undeniable fact.
The Jewish culture in general wants peace. The Orthodox/Zionists are a minority that does often get reigned in by Israel.
That is also impossible to deny.
Guilty by allegiance, "shame about the children but they where bound to become terrorists themselves anyway" ..... I can't follow reasoning that would justify this, it sounds very North-Korean to me.
Yeah and the IDF and it's actions are accountable by Isreali parliament. Hamas is nothing but a maffia mob strangeholding the fucking area's STASI style and being strenghtened by the oppression , it can barely be called a democracy as it is.
As for their rethoric, yeah the kebab world is not known for being nuanced. I mean just months ago the Turkish president called the Dutch (a fellow NATO ally and big trade partner) "Nazi remnants"
I would have to read up on the peace process, but am to lazy and stoned to do that now. If you want i can get back to you on this cause i'm interested to find out myself.