Defying Trump, over 120 countries at U.N. condemn Jerusalem decision

[–] InnocentBystander 2 points (+2|-0)

Among the countries that abstained on Thursday were .. Canada ..

Good. Finally Justin does something right.
Something needs to happen in Israel, leaving things as they are is not a reasonable option. If they don't like Trumps plan, then suggest an alternative. But keep in mind that the Palestinians have made it abundantly clear that they will not accept any peace until after the Jews have been exterminated.

Right, or wrong, I am happy to see some movement.

[–] Boukert [OP] 3 points (+3|-0)

Just wanted to note that there are plenty on Isreali side that don't want peace either, there are the goddamn orthodox jewish settlers who keep expanding outside the accepted borders for example. These are the same guys that dodge conscription on religious reasons btw.....

[–] InnocentBystander 1 points (+1|-0)

I am not trying to say that the Jews are without sin.
But they can be negotiated and reasoned with. They are also open to both peace, and integration. Only violent people have any reason to fear them.
You can not say the same for Palestinians.

[–] Boukert [OP] 2 points (+2|-0)

tbh above cannot be said about the orthodox settler jews at all. They've shown time after time they will not abide to any agreements and settle where they goddamn please, confiscating even more palestinian lands...

On the point of integration, Isrealy "integration" as it is now looks a lot like 80's South- African Apartheid system .... I'd barely call that acceptable integration.

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[–] [Deleted] 1 points (+1|-0)

i think it was probably good to test egypt, jordan, and saudi's loyalty and restraint before the syrian conflict ends. i expect once its over iran will attack israel and/or israel will invade lebanon and damascus.

[–] Boukert [OP] 2 points (+2|-0)

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test egypt, jordan, and saudi's loyalty and restraint

Having US airbases on their soil and buying US weapons isn't enough loyalty? But you are saying loyalty to US is better then representing the opinions and views of the countries and their inhabitants themselves just because Trump wants it? That's such crooked reasoning it hurts.... If any of the leaders of countries you named would vote to recognise the claim they would have riots in the streets and their jobs would seriously be in jeopardy.

iran will attack israel

They will not as there is to little to gain and way to much to lose.

israel will invade lebanon and damascus.

I doubt Isreal will dare to fuck around in Syria, not while Russia is still an official ally of Syria.

[–] [Deleted] 0 points (+0|-0)

i'm certainly not saying they should recognize the claim, i'm saying they should not kick the US off their land as a result of it. as long as that hurdle is cleared, i expect the countries to stay neutral in my expected war.

iran has plenty of prestige to gain. if they could defeat israel on the battlefield and at least force a better armistice, it would make it difficult for the pro-western governments in the region to survive. a significant amount of the population, especially in egypt and maybe jordan would want very much to join iran. also, what does iran have to lose? they lived with pretty heavy sanctions for quite a while, a land war in iran would probably be much more vietnam than iraq, they'd lean heavily on hamas and probably iraqi militias... i see nothing to lose and everything to gain.

russia has no bases around damascus and with how spread out and battle weary syria's forces are (or may be depending on how the remainder of the war goes), israel should have little problem encircling the city in virtually no time. also, israel has been attacking syria regularly and the US is on the ground in syria. russia wants its mediterranean bases, they waited until they were under threat before helping assad.

[–] jidlaph 0 points (+0|-0)

Trump reversed decades of U.S. policy by announcing the United States recognized Jerusalemas the capital of Israel and would move its embassy there.

Not a reversal. Implementing this move has been US policy for...well, decades.

Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said in a tweet the vote was a clear international rejection of the Trump administration’s “thuggish intimidation.”

And what is this vote, if not thuggish intimidation of its own? Sure it's a paper tiger, but it's one that Obama and Bush didn't have the balls to face.

The international community does not recognize Israeli sovereignty over the full city.

They don't have to; they can go on pretending the capital is Tel Aviv. What business is it of theirs what the US does?

Defying Trump, over 120 countries at U.N. condemn Jerusalem decision

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