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[–] Boukert [OP] 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

on the subject of Trump:

He's only made bad moves for the last few months, all of them seem to be dominated by gut feelings and short sightedness. If he would tone those down i would have given him a chance to become a half decent president.

Now he's only estranging himself more and more from the republican party and atleast 70% of the citizens by going to much right wing.


I dont understand statues of generals who lost a rebellion in the first place. Especially if they fought for "the wrong cause", these never should have been erected. It's not like you see statues of Erwin Rommel in Germany for example. (not a nazi, he served in the wehrmacht, but a great fucking general)

Most of these statues where erected not during the civil war but between 1911 - 1930

The confederates were a part of American history, and part of what made the US into what it has become. If they are happy with the progress that is being made, then they should celebrate the history that got them here. A monument does not mean "Everything this person did was good". It just means they were a part of significant events.

Thing is the "significant event" these people are glorified for are: fighting for a rebellion against the US and upkeeping slavery.

I'd be more concerned if it where monuments of writers, poets, musicians, explorers, inventors, etc etc who had slaves in the time (wich was a custom) or served for the south during the war. This is more a comparrison to Lenin and Stalin statues taken down in my eyes. "you dont glorify the bad the losers or the traitors"

In this trend I am worried about statues in Brussels with Dutch engravings for example. Those where erected while the region was Dutch language but now there are forces pushing to add french language engravings duo to billingual.......


And Trumps comments on the violence were accurate. There has been more politically related violence from the left, than any other group. The car murder was likely the result of escalation back and forth. That does not justify anything, but the violence can not be dealt with if people refuse to honestly look at what is happening, and acknowledge that it is not limited to any one group.

I dont think so: What I clearly miss from Trump is seperating "violence" and an attack by one of the Right wing protestors with a car on counter-protestors and random ppl stuck in their cars in front of him.

No matter what "escalations back and forth" there is no measure, justification, softening or downplaying for him to: plough a car at speed into other people AND innocent bystanders. This should be pointed out, denounced and rejected by everyone, especially a president "calling for unity".

Do I expect brawls, riots and bullshit when two opposite protestors meet? Yes, especially when one side carries swastika's, torches and "Hail Trump" Nazi style. In the NL you would be harrased by just random people on the street for that kind of display, in Germany you even get arrested. The right-wing was begging for it.

Do I expect a terrorist attack with a car? No, that's another level.

There have been many incidents with left wing protestors in the last few years, a lot of annoying actions, some violence and even riots. Not a pretty sight and a lot off bullshit ideology I agree. I'm the first to say they are idiots but those usually don't end in murder and death though. I also think BLM and SJW's are one of the main reasons Trump actually won.

Incidents involving serious attacks and even deaths have been coming more from the right this year i think, as seen on wikipedia: Right wing incidents involving deaths 2017: 4

I dont have info on left wing deaths though, so please enlighten me if you have them as I am intersted.

If Trump wants to make a point about "left wing violence" he shouldn't have spoken about it after this weekend with the car attack. But taken another moment when the left was plundering and rioting. Now he only made it worse for himself

[–] jidlaph 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

Incidents involving serious attacks and even deaths have been coming more from the right this year i think, as seen on wikipedia: Right wing incidents involving deaths 2017: 4

The Portland train attack was by a Bernie Bro, so 3.

No other leftist fatalities this year, no (unless Islamic terrorism counts), but that seems largely due to luck and/or incompetence. The baseball shooting, for example.

(unless Islamic terrorism counts)

For this conversation, they don't count. But if they did, they would count toward the Rights violence.
Muslim culture is not liberal or progressive. Not even a little.

[–] jidlaph 0 points (+0|-0)

Yeah it was tongue-in-cheek, mostly because the left is courting the Islamic vote.