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[–] PMYA 6 points (+6|-0)

Ironically, yes.

Though I would add that Voat never really had any sort of established order or feel to it, at least that's what I felt during the short time I browsed it before the first major Reddit influx. It's hard to say if the same thing applies here as I've been a part of it since the beginning, so I don't really have an outsider perspective, but I'd probably say it does.

I don't think influxes are the issue. We have discussed inviting certain Reddit communities here in the past that are politically neutral and focused around a form of content like PC gaming, for example. If we ever had a politically charged influx appearing on Phuks, I would probably be in favour of turning on invite only.

I have similar memories of early voat. I lurked a little before the first exodus. There wasn't an established order, that I saw, but it was a small community of 'builders'. The one common trait.
I would argue that the first couple migrations were also at least partially builder motivated.
I agree that influxes don't have to be destructive. It depends on the newcomers ability to integrate and/or play well with others.

It really seems to mirror real-life immigration.
I love the highly diverse nature of a place like Vancouver. But it only works because the common thread among all this diversity is the desire to get along, and tolerate.
Historically we never had a race based ghetto that divided us, like in the south. We didn't really have black people at all, in the west. Islam was also never represented in a significant number.
We did have people from just about everywhere else on the planet.

It seems that most cultures are capable of getting along fine. There are a few cultures that seem to have problems with everyone, even their own.
True on the internet, and in reality, I guess.

[–] Owlchemy 4 points (+4|-0)

I think the appeal of the realm of foxes for me is that single TOS statement. It addresses what was wrong with Goatland. Though total freedom to say or do anything is a good concept, there does need to be limits. Narrowly drawn, but none the less, limits. And though it's not really formally forbidden, I do enjoy the non-political atmosphere here. The couple of times I accidentally went on a political rant myself, I regretted it. I like it here as it is - LOL.

[–] PMYA 2 points (+2|-0)

I would agree that the TOS has probably helped us bypass a lot of things that would be difficult to handle from an admin point of view, it has been a positive thing. The real issue is not allowing or disallowing things prohibited by the TOS, it's that the users who would appear here if we did not have the TOS would have no interest in any topics that were not strictly political - in general, obviously. From a user perspective, that sort of thing limits the range of content, and from an admin perspective it means you need to constantly babysit the userbase because they're trying to rip each other's throats out constantly.

[–] GumpyBastard 5 points (+5|-0)

I think the problem with voat is a small group of people with who-knows how many accounts treat it as their own little playground. I think most of the angst there is just people LARPing to each other, each one trying to out do the other.

I would agree that is also a large factor.
It is a minority that drives the site. Alt abuse is both rampant and condoned by the admins.

[–] Owlchemy 4 points (+4|-0)

Very good point and a large part of the devolution of goatland in the last year. It starts as just annoying, then it becomes more ... till good folks start moving away.

[–] KillBill 0 points (+0|-0)

This is really close to the truth, at least in my experience.

[–] Sarcastaway 5 points (+5|-0)

Huh. Never thought of it that way, but I couldn't agree more. I'm not sure if that's ironic, or a fitting confirmation of their thinking, but either way: LOL.

[–] Owlchemy 4 points (+4|-0)

Absolutely. Far too many migrations from Reddit in too short a span of time didn't permit those immigrating to assimilate. I think you nailed it!

[–] OeeThaGreat 2 points (+2|-0)

One thing I noticed with the political refugees was their one minded view and use of Voat. A lot of people seemed to use it just for political content and went back to reddit for everything else. This kind of one sided content has lead the place into being a massive echo chamber with no real chance for growth. Those of us that did try to grow the community and contribute more than just the same bullshit were accused of voat farming and shilling.

So yeah, I agree 100%.