Marjorie Taylor Greene’s new climate theory is absurd. It’s also very smart.

> If you read up on climate science, 2 degrees is most likely all we need to screw over civilization. Obviously 2C will not lead to the collapse of civilization. Proof: it already has changed that much in the course of human civilization and we're not just here but stronger than ever. Unless the claim is that there is something very special about the starting temperature right now? That's going to take a lot of explaining and strong evidence to convince anyone though. Surely you can do better than vague hand waving "screw over civilization" by describing what that actually means, but once you actually do that, you're realize civilization can easily coexist with those conditions still. > Insulting well-meaning little girls is always a sign of a big man. You're missing the point. It's not about insulting her. It's about ineffective tactics and bad optics. > They're pretty intertwined. There's no effective action on global heating without a ton of downsizing, efficiency, ecosystem preservation/restoration. Nope, they really aren't. If we didn't have the retarded green movement for example and instead had pragmatic and intelligent leaders, we could have had a 100% decarbonized electric grid since the 1980s in developed counties with nuclear power but that wouldn't have solved most of the ecological issues I mentioned that are worrying. There go something like 50% of emissions. We could switch to electric cars, buses, etc and knock out another 20%. Emissions down and climate change averted for another 100 years! Now let's all go celebrate by buying some cheap plastic shit from the new local shopping mall. > There's some of your own culture-war brainwashing mixed in here. I'm more than happy to condemn the rich, but with things as they stand, I don't give a shit if they use private jets, as long as the ends justify the means. You're right that in almost all cases it doesn't. Focusing on individual contributions is a transparent distraction - it's a whole of society problem and needs a whole of society solution. You're still kind of missing the point. We've largely had this discussion already, but the summary of that is it's not about their individual bad behavior, it's about the optics, hypocrisy, and disingenuous leadership that will sink the credibility of the movement (which will make it unable to tackle climate change and piss you off) and distract and suck up all the political capital away from other ecological issues (which will piss me off). The public hears about Al Gore's outdoor heated swimming pool or some EU apparatchik preaching about the climate crisis and then taking a 100km jet ride. The public rightly sees the contradiction that these people are in this fight for self enrichment and control. If you want a solution to a social problem, you absolutely need to take these kinds of things into account and individual bad behavior from the leaders of your cause (which seems strangely pervasively) is _not_ a distraction. Furthermore, they're kind of an indicator that the leaders of your cause are shit and don't really even believe in what they're saying; if they did, they wouldn't pull this kind of shit. It's also a great indicator that ultimately they will betray you and your cause. Don't reward those who ask for power and lie to you and tell you what you want to hear. If you get in bed with snakes for a convenient short-term gain, don't be surprised when they bite you. So yeah, these kinds of grifters are not pragmatic and effective. What they will end up doing is 1. Grab for more power and personal gain 2. Not effectively solve climate change 3. Undermine the credibility of other ecological issues Condemn them and call our their bullshit when you see it. It will help your goals and mine.