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Opinions are opinions and lets face it... Neither mine nor most peoples matter.

A few days ago I made a post that got tagged "not news" and it very well might not be. I've personally come to believe most news is an editorial. People simply can't just report facts these days it seems but instead infuse their opinions into everything.

This is the post in question.

https://phuks.co/s/News/42611

Yes it does directly link to Ann Coulter's site as the top comment in this post of mine jokingly noticing the tag points out.

https://phuks.co/s/Whatever/42617

It's a blog post. I'd call it an editorial, but she wrote it on her own self-titled website. That's what blog posts are.

As @Mattvision argued, there's also no sources--but that's actually irrelevant. This isn't news, it's an opinion piece. News brings new information, that's why it's called "news"; It tells us something we didn't know before. Creating news requires seeking out new information, it can require research of parameters of that new information, and it certainly requires verification of that information.

Creating conclusions based on talking points isn't news, it's editorial. Articles written for other institutions are editorials; articles written for your own are blog posts.

It is in fact an editorial and I will not dispute that. I raise this question though. Would it being on a more "popular" (I chose my words carefully here) news source make it more newsworthy? Such as...

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/01/ann-coulter-the-aclu-wont-rest-until-every-illegal-gets-in/

https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2018/08/01/the-aclu-wont-rest-until-every-illegal-gets-in-n2506014

The list goes on and on if you search the title. What value does the fact it was reposted on an additional site add to the original article?

I argue it doesn't and you can find a litany of op-ed pieces on any major news sites. I just don't place much faith in a fox news, breitbart, cnn, or a huffingtonpost article. Not even MSNBC or ABC. I'd have remarked on this earlier but if I'm being perfectly honest... It's painfully hard as hell to be motivated to read the "news" these days every day.

For your consideration... can we tag this as an editorial as the top comment suggests it isn't... because it is in fact an "article written for other institutions".

Opinions are opinions and lets face it... Neither mine nor most peoples matter. A few days ago I made a post that got tagged "not news" and it very well might not be. I've personally come to believe most news is an editorial. People simply can't just report facts these days it seems but instead infuse their opinions into everything. This is the post in question. https://phuks.co/s/News/42611 Yes it does directly link to Ann Coulter's site as the top comment in this post of mine jokingly noticing the tag points out. https://phuks.co/s/Whatever/42617 >It's a blog post. I'd call it an editorial, but she wrote it on her own self-titled website. That's what blog posts are. >As @Mattvision argued, there's also no sources--but that's actually irrelevant. This isn't news, it's an opinion piece. News brings new information, that's why it's called "news"; It tells us something we didn't know before. Creating news requires seeking out new information, it can require research of parameters of that new information, and it certainly requires verification of that information. >Creating conclusions based on talking points isn't news, it's editorial. **Articles written for other institutions are editorials**; articles written for your own are blog posts. It is in fact an editorial and I will not dispute that. **I raise this question though.** Would it being on a more "popular" (I chose my words carefully here) news source make it more newsworthy? Such as... https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/01/ann-coulter-the-aclu-wont-rest-until-every-illegal-gets-in/ https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2018/08/01/the-aclu-wont-rest-until-every-illegal-gets-in-n2506014 The list goes on and on if you search the title. What value does the fact it was reposted on an additional site add to the original article? I argue it doesn't and you can find a litany of op-ed pieces on any major news sites. I just don't place much faith in a fox news, breitbart, cnn, or a huffingtonpost article. Not even MSNBC or ABC. I'd have remarked on this earlier but if I'm being perfectly honest... It's painfully hard as hell to be motivated to read the "news" these days every day. For your consideration... can we tag this as an editorial as the top comment suggests it isn't... because it is in fact an "article written for other institutions".

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[–] PMYA 4 points (+4|-0)

To be honest I have zero interest in debating this. The post you made doesn't depict any kind of event, and is pure opinion. Unruly made the correct decision.
[–] [Deleted] 0 points (+0|-0) Edited

Cites wapo, huffpo, and NYT and points out none of those articles credit the source of the document signed... ACLU

-- "Migrant parents were misled into waiving rights to family reunification, ACLU tells court" -- The Washington Post, July 26 2018

-- "Immigrant Parents Unwittingly Signed Away Right to Reunite With Children, Lawyers Say" -- Huffington Post, 07/25/2018

-- "'Why Did You Leave Me?' The Migrant Children Left Behind as Parents Are Deported'" -- The New York Times, July 27, 2018

Nowhere will you read that the form the parents signed was written by the ACLU.

It's replete w/ sources. Just uncomfortable ones that point out a further lack of journalism by the MSM
[–] PMYA 0 points (+0|-0)

Whether or not is has sources isn't the point. There is no kind of event being discussed, as I've already said. If I cite a few different news articles and then ramble on in a text post, have I written a news article? No.
[–] Phukadoodledo 0 points (+0|-0)

I have zero interest in debating this. gives opinion and talking point about the debate

If you don't want to discuss this stfu?
[–] PMYA 2 points (+2|-0)

I did say I have no interest in debating it, I didn't say I wouldn't give my opinion on it nevertheless. If we have this precedent where mods are held to this level of scrutiny for every decision made on subs, it will become impossible to moderate them.
[–] jobes 2 points (+2|-0)

I don't have an opinion on the matter, but it does seem like your panties are in a twist. Step back, breathe, step forward, it was a tag on a post. If that becomes a habit, make a big stink about it. If not, well shit.
[–] [Deleted] 1 points (+1|-0)

pinging you guys here. @e-werd @unruly already pinged matt @justintoxicated @pmya @killbill @keebyjeeby and anyone I missed.

My point is that crap like this (even this specific article as I showed above) appears on "legitimate news sites" all the time and never gets a 2nd look. I went straight to the source and caught a second look.

[–] Justintoxicated 2 points (+2|-0)

Personally I think half of the stuff I see in News belongs more in Politics, but that's my opinion.

My definition of news is generally something new or breaking or an in depth investigative piece (I would say large portion of what CNN/Fox put out there is not news in my book). The more editorialized the piece the less I consider it news.

Either way whether something is in news or politics it is still is reaching an audience.
[–] [Deleted] 0 points (+0|-0) Edited

I have no doubts I can find a litany of op-ed pieces if I glance back through /s/news

I do like how that phoenetically comes out as snooze. My weird sense of humor I guess.
[–] [Deleted] 0 points (+0|-0)

I woke up bored... sue me. I would like to talk it out though.

[–] KillBill 0 points (+0|-0)

Someone once said that the only problem subs on Voat were the ones with mods. I was a janitor on system subs for a while and anytime I second guessed if something was "allowed" I would immediately close the submission and let the votes handle it. In two years I had one semi-legit complaint where regular non- spam user for some reason posted a blatant full page ad which was his idea of news. I think he was just stirring the pot though.

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