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  1. No memes or images. Exceptions may be made in the case of images of an ongoing news story becoming available.
  2. User-edited titles are not allowed. Copy the headline directly and use it as the post title.
  3. News articles written over a month before posting must have the date of the article in the post title.
  4. No social media/blog/YouTube links. Exceptions may be made if information about an unfolding news story/crisis emerges on Twitter, for example, or if it is the official account of a news source.
  5. No paywalls. Use an archived link to post a paywalled article.
  6. Translate non-English articles.
  7. This is not a hard rule, but please be civil.

We had a small discussion about it ages ago with a little feedback but no rules were made. I took some of the feedback and made this rough draft.

1. No memes or images. Exceptions may be made in the case of images of an ongoing news story becoming available. 2. User-edited titles are not allowed. Copy the headline directly and use it as the post title. 3. News articles written over a month before posting must have the date of the article in the post title. 4. No social media/blog/YouTube links. Exceptions may be made if information about an unfolding news story/crisis emerges on Twitter, for example, or if it is the official account of a news source. 5. No paywalls. Use an archived link to post a paywalled article. 6. Translate non-English articles. 7. This is not a hard rule, but please be civil. We had a small discussion about it ages ago with a little feedback but no rules were made. I took some of the feedback and made this rough draft.

31 comments

[–] Enfield 5 points (+5|-0)

I don't like Rule 4.

There are breaking news stories that are sometimes found on twitter and youtube (think Right Side Broadcasting) that I wouldn't know about otherwise. I saw your quote, "Exceptions may be made if information about an unfolding news story/crisis emerges on Twitter, for example" but we should support alternative methods of receiving news. Let it be an option.

Giving "legacy" media the only 'legitimized' platform here is archaic.

[–] PMYA [OP] 2 points (+2|-0)

I can see where you're coming from, it is a tough issue to come up with a solution to. I think /u/Jidlaph summarised it quite well last year:

I think we would benefit from finding the middle ground between Reddit and Voat. Reddit moderators remove far too many posts and stick to the rules too much. Voat mods are either non existent or there are basically no rules left on the defaults because a certain "free speech" group took them away. I'm concerned that maybe the reddit/voat model of moderation doesn't adequately encourage quality curation, but I can't think of what a more appropriate alternative would look like.

Perhaps the solution is to have another sub for this sort of content. One similar example of this is /s/Punditry.

[–] Enfield 2 points (+2|-0)

The term Punditry may have a negative connotation and will isolate stories to an 'out of sight, out of mind' category.

I think the votes should decide the value of the news source.

Rule 4 as it is leans to the restrictive to me.

I hazard to guess Phuks users value a more open approach.

[–] PMYA [OP] 2 points (+2|-0)

I wasn't suggesting putting these posts in /s/punditry, that sub is for opinion pieces only, I was just using it as an example of a sub that contains posts that could very well appear on /s/news without a ruleset.

It is the hardest sub to come up with rules for, as there are so many variables, issues with measuring accuracy/authenticity with sources and people can be very invested in it for political reasons. Personally, I disagree with the idea that votes can vet news sources. Just because something is popular, it does not mean that it is relevant or correct, and in a lot of cases it can actually end up burying fact in favour of more convenient truths.

[–] pembo210 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

I get where you're going.. Our admins and mods are more involved in the community. We have a flair system we can use to flag stuff to look more into. We dont want to just start banning new sources for sure. As you post and we get to know you, we'll trust your sources more and allow new stuff or random stuff. We've had several accounts over the last year that join and just spam only their own site or profile for clicks, and never reply to anyone here.

[–] jidlaph 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

I also would like to chime in on #4: Allow social media posts for Happenings, but with the notice that they will likely get deleted and the links rolled into a Megathread before too long.

[–] pembo210 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

yeah, any mass deletions would need to include all the original thread links as well, maybe archives too, so people can go back and see all the original threads and interact with them.

edit: maybe even require a sticky for a while to make sure the people know

edit2: also a list in the sidebar or link to one that contains links to all megathreads

[–] jidlaph 1 points (+1|-0)

Hey how difficult would it be for a post and its comment threads to be converted into a comment tree under a megathread? Just shunt the entire conversation over.

I am also not sure about #4.

How about something like direct-source social media only. Meaning if a subject of the news posts a social media, or if the social media is a part of the news, it ok.
But no random tweets from unconnected people expressing opinions.

There's a better way to word that I'm sure, but I think you know what I mean.

[–] Mattvision 1 points (+1|-0)

Rule 7 is going to give all our new guests PTSD. Maybe at least define what exactly you mean by "not a hard rule"?

Also, rule 2 could use some wiggle room. These days, the original title of any given article could just as easily be shitty All-Caps clickbait as any user-edited title. So why not just make a rule against obvious clickbait, all caps, general titlegore, etc?

[–] PMYA [OP] 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

Yeah it should be made clear in the wording that there may be some cases where small alterations to the title makes sense. /s/News is modded by Phuks admins + unruly, who has had experience with /v/news, so whatever the ruleset ends up being, actual enforcement is going to be reasonable.

So why not just make a rule against obvious clickbait, all caps, general titlegore, etc?

This would be ideal, but it just makes things harder in practice. Someone made the point in the old discussion, unruly I think, that a lot of the trouble moderating /v/news was caused by the editorialised title ban, because people sometimes felt their post was unfairly removed due to there not being a solid definition of what editorialised meant.

Edit: in response to rule 7, nothing will get removed unless it breaks TOS or the other 6 sub rules. I just think it would be a good idea to have it there as a guideline more than a rule, insulting each other and arguing over personal stuff just detracts from the actual discussion of news topics.

[–] pembo210 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

Rule two will have room. I prefer to remove the caps and state the title like normal And Not Cap Every Word stuff. It's more for when people add conjecture to the title like "something happened, because he doesn't like us." I often add more info from the article to make the titles less clickbaity.

[–] [Deleted] 0 points (+0|-0) Edited

I love 1. One of the things that really got to me about Voat was memes and text posts being posted to news or pics and no moderation enforced.

2: I don't know if I like as a lot "news" titles are editorialized to begin with. Maybe users should be allowed to edit? Although; and I'm to blame too, there can be users that editorialize the titles to 'win' upvotes. So this rule might be for the best.

[–] Skyrock 0 points (+0|-0)

Regarding rule 2: Allow amendments to the original title in brackets. Sometimes the official headline itself is leaving out relevant information or the location. That still allows to add relevant information directly into the title, but prevents butchering the entire headline and shows what part comes from the user, not the news source.

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