It is said America's largest export is its culture. Could Brexit be a reflection of the independence that is so deep rooted in American culture?
The UK is a major player in the EU and had a hand in its creation. Why the sudden desire for independence from its own creation especially when it never fully committed to begin with? Has the notion of commonwealth been overturned or was it just something to keep the colonies in line?
Probably has more to do with the fact they are getting fucked over by immigration. Have to deal with shit-tons of terrorist attacks. Just want to live a peaceful life again.
I think the influx of cheap workers like Poles and other Eastern Europeans was a greater decisive factor for moxt Brexit voters than that of Muslims. Although the Muslim terror and Rotherham probably didn't help to win Brits over to #Remain.
But they aren't getting fucked by immigration: 300 000 per year into a country of 60 000 000.
The total undocumented population is estimated at 300 000 to 800 000.
Ya. You've shown you have your eyes closed and your ears covered in our last discussion.
Diversity is our strength right?
The EU isn't the biggest reason for the UK over refugees, especially when you recognise they where partly responsible for the whole Iraq/Syria clusterfuck (remember "the smoking gun" theory the UK and USA tried to sell in UNSC to start gulfwar 2 and invade Iraq?). UK's own policy (the reason for the Calais camps) ,their rules for migration from Commonwealth countries and family re-unitment is fucking them over much, much, much more then the EU migrant policy.
Using Anti kebab reasoning to say "we want Brexit" is misguided frustrations used by populists.
Altough UK tends to follow the US closely on a lot of cultural influences, politics is a total different ballgame. UK politics is still mainly about real issues, has proper debates and is a multi-party system. Nowhere in the EU the politics are compatible to the US anyway. I think the whole brexit idea was just oldfashioned nostalgia, ignorance, fee fees and misplaced frustrations. The UK isn't a worldpower and doesn't "rule the waves" anymore which is hard to handle for mainly the older generation (the ones massively voting "leave") and the lower educated "they took muhh jawb".
Mind you the brexit policy cuts straight trough party lines (except UKip) and devided the population like nothing before. The refugee part is one of the biggest misconceptions, take Calais camps for example. Those are directly caused by UK laws on asylum and family ties in UK, not the EU's fault.
Thing that flabbergasts me the most is; this is all happening during one of the greatest economic boosts the EU has ever known.
Some funny hypocrasy:
a lot of rural areas voted "leave" massively, then when the results came out they freaked out as their agricultural sectors where getting massive EU subsidies.
A lot of UK elderly move to southern Spain when they retire, that area got a lot of "leave" votes. The moment the vote came out shit started hitting the fan there and now they are in all kinds of uncertainty about healthcare, pensions, visas etc etc.
The Scots got royaly fucked having their referendum a year earlier. (Scotland is about 68% pro EU)
50+ voted leave, everyone else voted remain.
The Scottish may actually have a vote on the Great Repeal Bill, which is the piece of legislation that would make EU laws into UK laws when we leave. If that happens, there is a possibility they could block us from leaving, or at the very least postpone it. I imagine Scotland will need to be given a seat at the negotiating table, which means we will have Scotland and NI both wanting different things from the deal.
I think it is entirely possible that we will end up in a situation 2 years from now where the UK government is forced to decide between leaving without a deal or remaining in the EU. The reasons for this being:
I did not vote in the referendum so I'm probably as impartial as it gets.
In my opinion, there shouldn't have been a vote. The whole reason it came about is because UKIP and some Conservative MPs were not happy with the EU and started making a fuss over a vote. David Cameron, in a bid to win the 2015 election, promised an EU vote if he was re-elected. Those MPs held him to the promise, and then the referendum campaigns started. The Leave and Remain campaigns were both packed with blatant lies, though Leave was probably the biggest offender. One example of this is Leave promising to give all the money we pay to the EU each year to the NHS (a figure which they inflated) and then immediately doing a U-turn on the promise after the vote, with some MPs refusing to even acknowledge that the promise was made.
Immigration did play a part, but it was not the main driving force that led us to vote Leave. Cameron was for Remain, and he was not popular. Labour was also supposed to be for Remain, but was barely seen at all during the campaign, and there was some speculation that Corbyn wanted to leave the EU. I don't know if he did, I think it is more likely that he wanted the country to vote leave because he knew the conservatives would not be able to handle the aftermath, and Labour would have a popularity surge - which has happened.
Recent polls have shown that the majority of people would vote remain now, and most British people want another referendum. I do not think the country would have voted the way it did if we were properly informed. That is why I didn't vote. We're entering negotiations now, and the public is still being lied to about the sort of deal that is possible. The two most likely outcomes at this point are the Conservatives pulling us out without a deal - which would be a nightmare - or another election being called and Labour remaining in the EU or calling another referendum.