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If you insist they give up their culture immediately you will be seen as trying to take away their culture. Just like how gun rights advocates perceive attacks on gun culture.

Solidarity is a normal reaction to real or perceived hostility. In history the social pressure to assimilate resulted in immigrant collectivism in order to support each other; Chinatowns, little Italy and a myriad other ethnic enclaves formed partly because of this pressure.

If you insist they give up their culture immediately you will be seen as trying to take away their culture. Just like how gun rights advocates perceive attacks on gun culture. Solidarity is a normal reaction to real or perceived hostility. In history the social pressure to assimilate resulted in immigrant collectivism in order to support each other; Chinatowns, little Italy and a myriad other [ethnic enclaves](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_enclave) formed partly because of this pressure.

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[–] Violentlight 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

Well I mean, this post started as a much more broad conversation about immigration. You even provided links to Germany and UK immigration policies.

Your just playing ignorant if you don't know what I'm referring to with the immigration crisis in Germany, Sweden, and France. They have countless terror attacks. There are no-go zones. There are riots. Its chaos. It is no longer safe. Rapes are up. Assaults are up.

So you can use that as a guide for what will happen to North America if they continue to adopt the same policies as Germany, Sweden, and France.

The Muslim faith tells them not to assimilate. I have no problem with any religion, as long as it is not trying to have an impact on my life. But there are leaders of mosques in Toronto openly calling for the destruction of Canada. Openly calling for Sharia Law. On video. If they don't want to assimilate, they should not be coming here. It makes no sense. There are Countries that have Sharia Law. I don't understand why they think it needs to be brought here. They have the option to just stay in the country that currently runs under Sharia Law.

[–] phoxy [OP] 0 points (+0|-0)

I provided those links as evidence that your claim of "unrestricted immigration" was false. And you have not provided any evidence in support.

I'm referring to with the immigration crisis in Germany, Sweden, and France. They have countless terror attacks. There are no-go zones. There are riots. Its chaos. It is no longer safe. Rapes are up. Assaults are up.

Again, you have not provided evidence. That is a narrative which extrapolates from news reports which are not representative of everyday life. There are reports from citizens that run contrary to the fearmongering in the media, that say that nothing much is happening.

Unfortunately people are allowed to campaign for legal changes that you don't like. Like Christians who run gay conversion camps and campaign to restrict gay rights. Or make abortions illegal. Or ban certain types of headgear. It is your responsibility to demonstrate the benefits of your preferred legal setup.

You paint Muslims with one brush based on media reports and ignore the countless examples that don't fit the stereotype you cling to. There are already millions of Muslims in your country and all you can point to are a handful of radical preachers and a handful of terror attacks over a decade or more. Every day there are millions of peaceful secular interactions with Muslims and Christians.

You started this conversation objecting to unrestricted immigration (only tangentially related to my post on how assimilation takes time) and when I challenged that, you changed the subject. Now you want to discuss (again without real evidence, only media reports) the state of Europe and broad prejudicial stereotypes about Muslims.

For example, the Christian faith also tells them not to conform to the world around them and you give them a pass. And they campaign against things that impact your life and society: abortion, gay rights, trans rights, secular government, "indecent" works and secular education. Not to mention the Jehovah's Witnesses literally trying to convert people.

You can't reason someone out of a belief they weren't reasoned into.

[–] Violentlight 0 points (+0|-0)

I was raised christian. I certainly will not give them a pass.

I diverted from our other conversation, because you said the media doesnt count as a source. You also didn't accept the statistics from the Canadian government. So it seems that I can give you sources all day long and you will call them all false.

Was interesting trying to have a debate with you. We shall end it here. Have a good one.