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The number of people I see calling for Nazi-style restriction of movement, working, and even living based on vaccination status is utterly terrifying. The people who thought that a bakery should be forced to make a cake for a customer now support companies only hiring or serving vaccinated people (good for them! Happy!) while decrying companies who hire or serve only unvaccinated people (they're evil! Sad!) technically exercising the same freedom as evil.

The US is not the entirety of the world, vaccinated people still catch and spread the virus at the same rates even if they have no symptoms, not quite 50% of the entire world population has been vaccinated. The crowd of "if wearing a mask saves just one life" has turned into a group of fascist pieces of filth.

One. Freaking. Year.
The number of people I see calling for Nazi-style restriction of movement, working, and even living based on vaccination status is utterly terrifying. The people who thought that a bakery should be forced to make a cake for a customer now support companies only hiring or serving vaccinated people (good for them! Happy!) while decrying companies who hire or serve only unvaccinated people (they're evil! Sad!) technically exercising the same freedom as evil. The US is not the entirety of the world, vaccinated people still catch and spread the virus at the same rates even if they have no symptoms, not quite 50% of the entire world population has been vaccinated. The crowd of "if wearing a mask saves just one life" has turned into a group of fascist pieces of filth. One. Freaking. Year.

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[–] Butler_crosley 2 points (+2|-0)

This is the research that caught my attention: Findings from a UK study showing vaccines are helping

Reading your sources, I saw this:

They note that in COVID-19 survivors, the immune system's antibodies evolve during the first year, becoming more potent and better able to resist new variants.

Now if they were to combine the mRNA vaccine with an inactivated virus vaccine, would that allow the immune system to evolve and give better resistance to the variants as they occur?

Your sources actually reinforced my statement about the current vaccines reducing the severity for breakthrough cases.

[–] ScorpioGlitch [OP] 0 points (+0|-0)

This phrase "breakthrough cases" needs to go away. No anti-viral vaccine stops infection. It's not like an antibiotic. Christ, that's high school biology right there.

And I never disagreed that vaccines prevent symptoms from becoming deadly. In fact, I've maintained all along that the only thing vaccines do is stop you from dying. That means that if you continue to run around like it's not there, you're going to catch it. Period. Full stop. There will be a period of time where you are spreading it but you likely won't know it. There's a word for that: super-spreader.

Further, in one of those sources:

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/delta-infections-among-vaccinated-likely-contagious-lambda-variant-shows-vaccine-2021-08-02/

The Lambda variant of the coronavirus, first identified in Peru and now spreading in South America, is highly infectious and more resistant to vaccines than the original version of the virus the emerged from Wuhan, China, Japanese researchers have found.

In laboratory experiments, they found that three mutations in Lambda's spike protein, known as RSYLTPGD246-253N, 260 L452Q and F490S, help it resist neutralization by vaccine-induced antibodies. Two additional mutations, T76I and L452Q, help make Lambda highly infectious, they found. In a paper posted on Wednesday on bioRxiv ahead of peer review, the researchers warn that with Lambda being labeled a "Variant of Interest" by the World Health Organization, rather than a "Variant of Concern," people might not realize it is a serious ongoing threat.

It's vaccine resistant. Delta is tearing though all kinds of places and lambda is about to make massive waves and this lambda variant is going to mutate and become even more resistant, possibly more deadly with a shorter incubation period (lambda's incubation period is already the shortest yet).

[–] Butler_crosley 1 points (+1|-0)

The lambda research only used the Pfizer vaccine. The Pfizer vaccine has also shown to have less efficacy against other variants as opposed to the Moderna vaccine. The actual research paper is an interesting read if you're into that kind of thing. There is a warning on the bioRxiv page that published the paper has the following warning:

bioRxiv posts many COVID19-related papers. A reminder: they have not been formally peer-reviewed and should not guide health-related behavior or be reported in the press as conclusive.

Link to the paper if you're interested in reading it

Delta variant is tearing through areas with low vaccination rates for the most part. Meanwhile lambda has been known about for around 9 months now and has been on the rise during the winter months for South America.

I only use the phrase "breakthrough cases" since it is the commonly used phrase to describe infections in vaccinated people. I agree that it's a misnomer since vaccines for viruses are made to trigger the production of antibodies so a person's immune system can fight the actual virus.

I disagree that not following guidelines is an absolute guarantee to being infected. It definitely increases the risk and shows a lack of common sense but we don't know the exact amount of exposure required for infection.

[–] [Deleted] 0 points (+0|-0)

help it resist neutralization by vaccine-induced antibodies. (your emphasis)

It's vaccine resistant.

There you go again.
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