[–] PhuksNewfag 2 points (+2|-0)

On the other hand you have the people who watch massmedia and who've been convinced that women are so oppressed that they get payed 1/3rd less for the same work and that the russians implanted a president like in a shitty cold war novel and even more paranoid believing for an entire year that Trump is a madman who will start ww3 tomorrow either with north korea or russia.

That's at least on par when it comes to being paranoid, in my opinions it's far worse. I can't imagine what it must be like believing that everyone is oppressing you or that ww3 could start any moment, it must be really stressful and tiring.

[–] E-werd 0 points (+0|-0)

That's at least on par when it comes to being paranoid

Agreed, though I wouldn't say its worse. The antithesis is not that everybody is oppressing you, but that everybody is out to get you or what you have. Two sides of the same coin if you ask me.

The best place tends to be somewhere in the middle, as with most things. There's a balance to be struck between mental health and awareness.

[–] PhuksNewfag 0 points (+0|-0)

Two sides of the same coin if you ask me.

The difference I see is that one side does has very recent examples of government abuse to point at wheras the gender paygap is almost nonexistent if you factor in work hours and profession.

"The operation was officially sanctioned in 1953, was reduced in scope in 1964, further curtailed in 1967, and officially halted in 1973.[3] The program engaged in many illegal activities,[4][5][6] including the use of U.S. and Canadian citizens as its unwitting test subjects, which led to controversy regarding its legitimacy.[4](p74)[7][8][9] MKUltra used numerous methods to manipulate people's mental states and alter brain functions, including the surreptitious administration of drugs (especially LSD) and other chemicals, hypnosis,[10][11] sensory deprivation, isolation, verbal and sexual abuse (including the sexual abuse of children), and other forms of torture.[12][13]"


There might be a lot of rumors about MKUltra that are most probably bullshit and it became part of pop-culture in for example stranger things, but it is a program that actually existed with real declassified documents according to which the U.S. Government has tortured and sexually abused children.

"The scope of Project MKUltra was broad with research undertaken at 80 institutions, including colleges and universities, hospitals, prisons, and pharmaceutical companies.[14] The CIA operated through these institutions using front organizations, although sometimes top officials at these institutions were aware of the CIA's involvement.[15]"

"In 1977, a Freedom of Information Act request uncovered a cache of 20,000 documents relating to project MKUltra which led to Senate hearings later that year.[4][17] Some surviving information regarding MKUltra was declassified in July 2001."

but that everybody is out to get you or what you have.

Not "everybody" that's an exaggeration that is obviously wrong. However for one money has been grossly devalued by inflation https://inflationdata.com/articles/charts/cumulative-inflation-decade-1913/ to a big part due to national debt. National debt is to take money away from future generations to pretend that our current system works. http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Bernie Sanders could have had been president, that guys has an article on his official website praising venezuela:


"These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?"

Which is a failed socialist state were people eat zoo animals out of desperation:


Is it really a conspiracy theory akin to the gender pay gap that governments may take your stuff away? It is a very real thing right now in Venezuela, not far away from the U.S. There are current and lots of historic examples from the last 100 years.

[–] E-werd 0 points (+0|-0)

Bernie Sanders could have had been president, that guys has an article on his official website praising venezuela:

Context is everything here. Firstly, he was talking specifically about their income equality situation. How you feel about that figure is irrelevant, it's still a useful metric. Second, he posted that in 2011. Things were still pretty decent from an economic standpoint in 2011. They lost around 66% of their income because the oil market became saturated, devaluing it. One-sided economies inevitably collapse and, when they do, shit goes down. That's what happened in Venezuela. They also had a populist totalitarian leader, which didn't help matters.


I don't know all the talking points that the left uses to even provide counter points. Most of what I've see is, from my understanding, down to interpretation and not concrete. Bad things are bad and yes, it's well documented that the government bodies have done some bad shit in the name of science or foreign policy. A lot of that took place during Cold War times where the US policy was akin to, "you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet." I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it was. Shit times called for shit measures, apparently.

I'm aware of the infamous pay gap and I disagree with it as I also feel it's erased when you factor in all the variables at hand. My belief is that men and women are equal in value but different in ability, into which the pay gap myth fits perfectly. If you have more than anecdotal situations where the woman is literally equal in every way to the man and she's making 71% of her male counterpart, then we'll talk. That situation seems to be a unicorn, though. If it is found, it's a single company run by WWII-era men. That issue will be gone to old age soon. Let women be equal, but give them everything that comes with it as well.