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[–] E-werd 2 points (+2|-0)

We lived in fear of a few looming specters: the Clintons, social services, martial law, gun control. We were taught that the liberal government was out to get our liberties and our faith.

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It seems unbelievable now. But when you think that your president killed Vincent Foster, when you think that God instilled in you a duty to own guns and that the government is slowly eroding that right so that it can impose martial law, you start to lead a pretty suspicious life.

It's absolutely intoxicating to indulge in your paranoia, to let this grow inside of you. Everybody that isn't exactly like you is an enemy and you need to deal with them. It's insane, literally indicative of mental illness.

We started bringing knives, guns, and tactical books to church. Most of the adults in the church encouraged us. An older man sat me and my second-in-command down and warned us to prepare for the race war that was brewing in America, adding that black-on-white crime was criminally underreported by the liberal media.

In church of all places. This activity has no place in a church. None.

[–] PhuksNewfag 3 points (+3|-0)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland_Springs_church_shooting

"The gunman, 26-year-old Devin Patrick Kelley of nearby New Braunfels, killed 26 and injured 20 others. He was shot twice by a male civilian as he exited the church. "

This wasn't even a year ago.

This activity has no place in a church. None.

Why not?

"He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied.

Luke 22:36

Everybody that isn't exactly like you is an enemy and you need to deal with them.

They are most likely not afraid of the japenese, buddhists, janaists, sikhs, chinese, shinto, taoists, celts, druids, pagans, zoroastrians.... you get the point, yes? That's ethnicities and religions from all over the world they're most likely not afraid of and it's not a complete list.

I'm confident that the list of ethnicity and religions they are afraid of is much smaller: Jews, blacks and islam.

It's a manipulative strawman argument to say that they are afraid of everyone who isn't exactly like them and possibly indicative of a simplistic worldview ignorant of the multitude of non-islamic religions, ethnicities and cultures that exist in the world.

[–] E-werd 0 points (+0|-0)

Luke 22:36

First of all, this was at the last supper. Jesus knew the events that would transpire. Serious crap was about to go down and he meant to prepare them. That said, he didn't walk in with a crate of swords. Advising people to take up arms against a clear known enemy and using the Church as a training grounds are two drastically different things.

They are most likely not afraid of the... {religions/ethnicities}

I don't see how that ties in here. They never pointed at an enemy outside of the government itself, it wasn't really an ethnic or race thing.

It's a manipulative strawman argument to say that they are afraid of everyone who isn't exactly like them...

I would argue it's less about being OK with them than it is either not being aware or simply not caring. Would you say they'd be accepted if they were making more inroads into society? Don't misunderstand me, I don't think Islam--which is the enemy of the day--is a good thing for society. What I'm saying is that non-whites wouldn't be "accepted" regardless. Asians are only half way there and they make most of our stuff.

[–] PhuksNewfag 1 points (+1|-0)

Would you say they'd be accepted if they were making more inroads into society?

Yes. I believe that if there were a massive migration of buddhists they would melt right in, at least after a generation or two. The political left has a point when it talks about the cultural melting pot. We did melt together into just "white people" or to a large degree even just "americans"/"europeans" but we once fought war with each other and even made racially charged propaganda about each other. I've heard leftliberals drawing comparisions with the current refugee crisis:

https://www.history.com/news/when-america-despised-the-irish-the-19th-centurys-refugee-crisis

I can even see why they draw the comparison, but I think it only works in a free market environment (because people who seek employment have to integrate at least well enough to get employed and that is quite a lot (muslims not learning the local language or refusing to work together with women at work would probably starve or fly to another country under a true free market. ). I'm convinced that the free market fosters voluntary integration whereas forced wealth redistribution fosters resentment and fragmentation.)

I don't see how that ties in here. They never pointed at an enemy outside of the government itself, it wasn't really an ethnic or race thing.

In that case wouldn't it had been more accurate to say that they consider the government and possibly it's supports as enemies? Because you said that "Everybody that isn't exactly like you is an enemy and you need to deal with them." which to me suggests to be against everything foreign.