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I got a lot of questions, ideas, discussions and tips from a lot of you. I appreciate this greatly but would like to use this post to open them all up and deal with them together. We figure A. we are all doing this as a community. B. with our combined experience we can discuss this in an adult way and increase succes.

We encourage everyone with ideas, questions to post them and open them up for all phukkers. We as founders see this as a community effort, prefer transperity and cooperation above all.

Some awnsers to a few questions:

Is there a limit to the amount of subs I can moderate

Yes currently it's set at 15

Are there any limits to voting?

No currently there are no limits to both upvoting and downvoting, we are thinking of restrictions and open to input.

Are there limits to amount off posts?

No, currently there are no limits on daily or hourly post amount. There is also not a 60 sec restriction timer in place for posts or 30 sec for replies. We do aim to implement these and are open to input.

I get the feeling that mods will be allowed a lot of latitude to run the subs as they feel best. But that's an assumption. I like the idea of allowing variety. Some subs are better off with strict moderation, others are better with a light touch. Some subs can benefit from curation, others should be undirected. If I am wrong about that, please correct me.

I agree with you on this and am happy with the nuance. Talking about defaults; Yes it greatly depends on the sub and in some cases the moderators. /s/news will need tighter control then /s/whatever for example. We are open for input on default rules.

For none defaults we currently have no rules and feel that the community can manage/create them with their own rules. We are open to set guidelines for this, but havent got around to

will there be official "Defaults", and what will be the policy with moderation of them?

There is a list of official defaults (auto subscribe for new members), i will have to check where this is visible. We are still discussing policies and we welcome any input from you phukkers.

Also, is there a "whatever" style of sub? Is that something you want to avoid?

There is /s/whatever , but feel free to start any subs you would like.

I am liking the site interface. At first glance it seemed 'plain', so I thought it would be missing many features. But it is not. It has stuff Voat doesn't, and has good navigation and feel to it. What is it built on/with?

I'm not on the technical team, @polsaker is the brains behind that and i'm assured he will tell you everything about it with his sexy accent and leather hat.

The site is advocating for free speech, but how do you plan to avoid the path that voat took, and not end up with the loudest radicals that drive off moderate or balanced users?

  • Well for one, they all went to voat and formed their circlejerk, wich is a nice lighteningrod for us.

  • We will actively manage the community as admins, so there will be a lot less speculation and space to fill by any powerclique or loudmouths. This does not mean we as admins will bully around users, but rather clarify things.

  • We advocate community before free speech, this does not mean we can steer the narrative but we can encourage some.

  • We have been struggling with this to so open to any input.

A suggestion, that may help with that, and be a good thing anyway, is to write up a charter of rights and duties. Outlining what rights the users have, what exceptions there are, and what is expected from them.

Well we have the ToS Which I still need to review and am open to input towards.

Is our main problem right now (apart from lack of content) is commercial spam? I expect a lot of mod work will be removing spam.

Our main problem for now is getting the site up to standard and getting all the bugs fixed. Also finishing all the little odds and ends.

No doubt spam will be a big factor once we start getting more traffic. We trust mods to handle this for now, but we also trust and encourage them to do more and actually built a community on their defaults. (within common sense and limits that come with a default, wich we should all discuss together)


Poaching

I know that your prime target to poach users isn't going to be voat but what do you think of posting this http://www.webcountdown.net/?c=1482685200 there with no explanation. Voat seems to be in the perfect position to steal from, as many users are becoming very aware of the admins apathetic behavior.

I think the middle path would be best. Don't directly poach from the site, or it may stir drama and attract cancer. But don't ice them out either. There are a lot of good users that just 'tolerate' the bullshit there. Like we did. They would be good to have here.

A. yes there are a lot of good Voaters out there that deserve better.

B. No we do not want the haters and shortsighted idiots.

C. I think mouth to mouth would suffice for now on voat. Just target users that ppl are friendly with.

d. Openly advertising on voat will most probably result in a lot of drama. We rather built ourselves and do this in nuance then pick a fight in our early hours.


Our office: https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.goat.chat:+6697#throat feel free to jump in if you want info, help out or have suggestions anytime!

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I got a lot of questions, ideas, discussions and tips from a lot of you. I appreciate this greatly but would like to use this post to open them all up and deal with them together. We figure A. we are all doing this as a community. B. with our combined experience we can discuss this in an adult way and increase succes. We encourage everyone with ideas, questions to post them and open them up for all phukkers. We as founders see this as a community effort, prefer transperity and cooperation above all. Some awnsers to a few questions: > Is there a limit to the amount of subs I can moderate Yes currently it's set at 15 > Are there any limits to voting? No currently there are no limits to both upvoting and downvoting, we are thinking of restrictions and open to input. > Are there limits to amount off posts? No, currently there are no limits on daily or hourly post amount. There is also not a 60 sec restriction timer in place for posts or 30 sec for replies. We do aim to implement these and are open to input. > I get the feeling that mods will be allowed a lot of latitude to run the subs as they feel best. But that's an assumption. I like the idea of allowing variety. Some subs are better off with strict moderation, others are better with a light touch. Some subs can benefit from curation, others should be undirected. If I am wrong about that, please correct me. I agree with you on this and am happy with the nuance. Talking about defaults; Yes it greatly depends on the sub and in some cases the moderators. /s/news will need tighter control then /s/whatever for example. We are open for input on default rules. For none defaults we currently have no rules and feel that the community can manage/create them with their own rules. We are open to set guidelines for this, but havent got around to > will there be official "Defaults", and what will be the policy with moderation of them? There is a list of official defaults (auto subscribe for new members), i will have to check where this is visible. We are still discussing policies and we welcome any input from you phukkers. > Also, is there a "whatever" style of sub? Is that something you want to avoid? There is /s/whatever , but feel free to start any subs you would like. > I am liking the site interface. At first glance it seemed 'plain', so I thought it would be missing many features. But it is not. It has stuff Voat doesn't, and has good navigation and feel to it. What is it built on/with? I'm not on the technical team, @polsaker is the brains behind that and i'm assured he will tell you everything about it with his sexy accent and leather hat. > The site is advocating for free speech, but how do you plan to avoid the path that voat took, and not end up with the loudest radicals that drive off moderate or balanced users? - Well for one, they all went to voat and formed their circlejerk, wich is a nice lighteningrod for us. - We will actively manage the community as admins, so there will be a lot less speculation and space to fill by any powerclique or loudmouths. This does not mean we as admins will bully around users, but rather clarify things. - We advocate community before free speech, this does not mean we can steer the narrative but we can encourage some. - We have been struggling with this to so open to any input. > A suggestion, that may help with that, and be a good thing anyway, is to write up a charter of rights and duties. > Outlining what rights the users have, what exceptions there are, and what is expected from them. Well we have the [ToS](https://phuks.co/tos) Which I still need to review and am open to input towards. > Is our main problem right now (apart from lack of content) is commercial spam? I expect a lot of mod work will be removing spam. > Our main problem for now is getting the site up to standard and getting all the bugs fixed. Also finishing all the little odds and ends. No doubt spam will be a big factor once we start getting more traffic. We trust mods to handle this for now, but we also trust and encourage them to do more and actually built a community on their defaults. (within common sense and limits that come with a default, wich we should all discuss together) -------------------- Poaching > I know that your prime target to poach users isn't going to be voat but what do you think of posting this http://www.webcountdown.net/?c=1482685200 there with no explanation. Voat seems to be in the perfect position to steal from, as many users are becoming very aware of the admins apathetic behavior. > I think the middle path would be best. Don't directly poach from the site, or it may stir drama and attract cancer. But don't ice them out either. There are a lot of good users that just 'tolerate' the bullshit there. Like we did. They would be good to have here. A. yes there are a lot of good Voaters out there that deserve better. B. No we do not want the haters and shortsighted idiots. C. I think mouth to mouth would suffice for now on voat. Just target users that ppl are friendly with. d. Openly advertising on voat will most probably result in a lot of drama. We rather built ourselves and do this in nuance then pick a fight in our early hours. ----------------- Our office: https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.goat.chat:+6697#throat feel free to jump in if you want info, help out or have suggestions anytime! test

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[–] Boukert 1 points (+1|-0)

One limit I like is not being able to give out more total downvotes than up. If a user is having that bad of a time here, they should probably go elsewhere.

Amen, I've been mulling on this and agree we should make downvotes "more expensive" to use. I'd even be for a 20 - 25% relocation. 5 upvotes given = 1 dv earned to give.

This way you don't get many of those barely contributing users with loud mouths and 100% - 80% downvote ratios. And if a user wants to downvote so badly he is forced to contribute more!

Maybe also disable downvoting on brand new accounts. Can't downvote anything for the first 24 hours or so. To avoid people using sock-puppets. It wouldn't stop someone that thinks ahead, but it would stop others. A bit like a cooling off period.

That or some other type of downvote restriction for new accounts.

[–] Boukert 1 points (+1|-0)

I agree with this as well. Maybe the 100 points needed for downvotes and an 48 hour delay for new accounts?