which obviously needs actual refuting vs a simple handwave and casual dismissal.
you might remember this
http://i63.tinypic.com/ajrojq.png
Also this
https://imgoat.com/uploads/5ded5353c5/131031.png
and more telling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dUuojD4OyQ
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybitHLhb0yw
which obviously needs actual refuting vs a simple handwave and casual dismissal.
you might remember this
http://i63.tinypic.com/ajrojq.png
Also this
https://imgoat.com/uploads/5ded5353c5/131031.png
and more telling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dUuojD4OyQ
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybitHLhb0yw
which obviously needs actual refuting vs a simple handwave and casual dismissal.