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Ok so this is going to be long and I don't do TL:DR so either read this or shut the fuck up.

On Monday I got a typed flyer in my mailbox from my mailman that has been with USPS for 25 years. He explained that today was his last day of employment with the post office because of how Amazon is going to be handled.

A while back there was a bid put in to have Amazon prime shipments delivered on Sundays. Well that sounds great you say right? Always more to the story and that is what this is about.

Well when my postman started it was agreed he didn't work on Sundays which for him was great as he is religious....like super religious and such. Which to me is fine dude never pushed that on anyone or at least me. Dude is the Need Flanders of post office in PA.

The postmaster over him said he was going to be written up each time he failed to show on Sunday. Well he tried to explain his position and to me it is valid and been that way since I have known him at least.

Doesn't matter to them and for that he attempted to give his two weeks. Well his postmaster said then you will be here this Sunday or you are terminated......well obviously he won't be so today is his last day.

This is a growing problem of America and consumerism going forward people. Small ripples now will become big waves in the future I promise. We have already lost many family owned businesses here were I live and the hardware store will soon go.

Don't believe how places like Amazon are fucking the world? Go into a GameStop and look around. It doesn't have many games in it. Looks like a hottopic took a shit in there with all the garbage that isn't games litters the floor.

Maybe I am just being that old man with a cane and reading more into shit than I should, but I don't feel I really am with this.

My question for you is with you save that little bit of time to buy from Amazon and drive that knife deeper into the community you live in, or will you get out of your house and at the very least try to find it within your local area and perhaps keep that money working for you?

I know that it is impossible to boycott the USPS as it is a fixture of America.....I can limit my interactions with them and I assure you I will find the alternative way as often as I can, but Amazon?

Never again. Just never and I canceled my memebership to them and will not be renewing it.

Ok so this is going to be long and I don't do TL:DR so either read this or shut the fuck up. On Monday I got a typed flyer in my mailbox from my mailman that has been with USPS for 25 years. He explained that today was his last day of employment with the post office because of how Amazon is going to be handled. A while back there was a bid put in to have Amazon prime shipments delivered on Sundays. Well that sounds great you say right? Always more to the story and that is what this is about. Well when my postman started it was agreed he didn't work on Sundays which for him was great as he is religious....like super religious and such. Which to me is fine dude never pushed that on anyone or at least me. Dude is the Need Flanders of post office in PA. The postmaster over him said he was going to be written up each time he failed to show on Sunday. Well he tried to explain his position and to me it is valid and been that way since I have known him at least. Doesn't matter to them and for that he attempted to give his two weeks. Well his postmaster said then you will be here this Sunday or you are terminated......well obviously he won't be so today is his last day. This is a growing problem of America and consumerism going forward people. Small ripples now will become big waves in the future I promise. We have already lost many family owned businesses here were I live and the hardware store will soon go. Don't believe how places like Amazon are fucking the world? Go into a GameStop and look around. It doesn't have many games in it. Looks like a hottopic took a shit in there with all the garbage that isn't games litters the floor. Maybe I am just being that old man with a cane and reading more into shit than I should, but I don't feel I really am with this. My question for you is with you save that little bit of time to buy from Amazon and drive that knife deeper into the community you live in, or will you get out of your house and at the very least try to find it within your local area and perhaps keep that money working for you? I know that it is impossible to boycott the USPS as it is a fixture of America.....I can limit my interactions with them and I assure you I will find the alternative way as often as I can, but Amazon? Never again. Just never and I canceled my memebership to them and will not be renewing it.

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[–] E-werd 3 points (+3|-0)

I feel like this is part of a bigger discussion about a post-employment society, where there are no longer enough jobs for people due to automation and simplification of human jobs. We don't need small businesses anymore because of the big ones, but that totally destroys small communities and nothing comes in their place. People still need to work, but the jobs aren't there. So now what?

[–] Adhdferret [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

I don't have the answer here man. I just don't, but I know what it is that I can do myself to try and make the world just a little bit better in my place.

Some people just can't, and I don't fault them for it because chances are no one ever explained how they can do anything different and likely they wouldn't understand if you tried to explain it to them.

The American way of life is to stretch every damn dollar to it's limit and let quality suffer to quantity. As I get older I realize that customer service is the most important thing to exist in our society.

Yet there is so very little of it. Sure refund or replacement of a product is good, but look at Walmart. They don't address your concerns or relate to your problems with a product. Hell they won't even offer advise for an alternative product. They just replace it or issue a refund.

That isn't customer service to me it is just placated response. Amazon is the same way. So you weigh that outcome with your experience and decide what is best.

[–] E-werd 3 points (+3|-0)

You know what replaced customer services? User reviews. They literally offloaded that portion of customer service to their customers. User reviews are free labor.

[–] Adhdferret [OP] 0 points (+0|-0)

Man you and me both. Like when I got my first drone I went of customer reviews.

What a fucking joke. Now that I know the product I know they either deleted the actual feedback or just that people are stupid.

None of what is said on the description is true about the product. NOTHING mind you about flight time, range, or even stability.

When I went back to Best buy the girl that helped me didn't know shit about drones, but she was the one that helped me decide and when I went back she took notes about everything I said so she could relay that to future customers.

That is customer service and it is a dying art. I left a review for her not with the automated shit either I called and got the regional and spoke with them directly to do my part and encourage that type of behavior.

She won't work there forever I know that, but she will learn the skills to be good at any other job.

[–] Dudicles 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

Honestly, it's not totally Amazon's fault, it's people that will choose the cheapest option regardless of impact. Instead of spending an extra couple of bucks to support local goods, we just buy on Amazon because it's cheaper and/or we can do it in our PJs without leaving home.

It's actually similar to blaming politicians for the state of our countries. Yes, they are definitely doing their part, but it really only succeeds because the average citizen/consumer allows it to succeed--whether it's through complacency, laziness, greed, fear, or complicitness (I don't think that's a real word, but you get the gist).

I feel the ultimate goal of globalism (or corporatism) is the defeat of community (and the traditional family unit). When people no longer feel a connection to their community, they cease to care about supporting it, and then it erodes. It's also probably one of the reasons "country-folk" are consistently demonized--they still have that community connection in many places, and that stands as a barrier to the goal of both globalism in politics and big business.

[–] Adhdferret [OP] 4 points (+4|-0)

Yeah you are right and hey gotta make that dollar go as far as it is needed. I get that because I been there.

Thing is.......better yet I will tell you a story as this is what I am good at.

Ok so 6 years ago my son is 3 years old and coming up on 4. Great time I must say because I love Lego and with a child that can choke on it given half a chance I avoided it.

Well not that day. We got a small Lego set. Like 50 something pieces. Kid loved it and of course he got excited and dropped it. Well it broke into all of those 50 something pieces. He lost his mind and I said don't worry look. We can remake it.

Oh man renewed interest and no more broken toys right? Much celebrating I have to say. That is when it started. Well a few months after that I was making good money and traveling so I was able to hit up craigslist and other retail stores and got cheap Lego.

I mean really cheap. So we had quite the collection going on. It was at that time his friends would come over and then more showed up and pretty soon our basement was full of kids playing Lego and not roaming the countryside.

Wife and I decided we wanted to do something more. So I called all the local libraries around me saying I want to start a club and I can provide the Lego for however many....doesn't matter as we had enough.

All of them said no they wanted us to donate it....well I am all about community and it isn't that I want the glory at all I want to make sure that it goes for it's intended purpose.

So a month later we find a place. This library is just right. They have a sports center right next to them. Indoors and flat concrete so we set this up.

57 people show up. I brought 175lbs of Lego and dumped that shit on the floor. For two hours those kids got to experience what Lego really fucking is. No having to figure out something new to make it work as every piece they could ever need was there lol.

At the end of it all we we're cleaning up. I had this father come up to me. 4th generation coal miner.....real fucking deal of a man. Leather face, narrow eyes, long beard, and just a man you know is honest.

He took my hand and shook it with tears in his eyes saying thank you and he couldn't give his son the creative outlet, but that I can. I won't forget that shit for the rest of my days.

We kept doing that group every two weeks for three years. Till one day when only two parents showed up. They dropped their kids off and just left like we were a day care. That isn't what I started this for. It just isn't.

So I voiced my concern and next event not one person showed save the event coordinator son. He knew I wasn't coming back again. He asked me if I could get him an EV3 mindstorms set to learn with.

350 dollar set I managed to trade for. Gave it to him. A year later I got a letter from the library with a picture of her son holding that mindstorms set in one hand and an admission letter to MIT in the other.

The feelz man.....the goddamn feels.

That is community and people don't have that anymore. I wish they did and yeah I would do it again and twice on Sunday if I could for the chance to help one person.

[–] KFCNyanCat 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

I don't think GameStop looking like a Hot Topic has that much to do with Amazon, as much as non-specialty stores in general, and digital games. Really there's not as much of market for a gaming specialty store anymore, especially one with a bad reputation like GameStop.

Really, there's no saving the mom and pop business, and I can't bring myself to trust, like, or give a crap about Wal-Mart or GameStop anymore than I trust, like, or give a crap about Amazon. It's all big business to me, it all goes to the top.

Forcing employees to work on Sunday is terrible, but that was USPS' decision to allow it.

I'm sitting here having this exact conversation with people. What amazon is doing is extremely dangerous to our democracy! Meme aside, they really are going to damage the retail marketplace for decades if its not stopped sooner rather than later.

They are pumping all their profits back into buying up space in all these markets, full speed ahead not even worrying about stable profits or future outlook. They are going to flood the area and force major and mom and pop retail business out of existence.

Its a brilliantly selfish, capitalist move, and one can almost applaud the effort Bezos is putting forth. But still, its not good for anybody but a few people and in the end that is evil. It sucks because I love shopping amazon, but I know I have to vote with my wallet and not give in to the beast.

[–] Adhdferret [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

It is more the quality of product as well. Sure FBA helps the small time sellers out, but man are the fees steep. I can't deal with support of something like Amazon when they just gouge the fuck out of others like that.

[–] Enfield 2 points (+2|-0)

I'm a fervent Amazon boycotter (if there is such a thing).

We have a popular local electronics store in our area. This store is privately run and the workers know their shit and they have quality products.

An old coworker of mine would act all virtuous about society (mass immigration and integration please/Obama is holy blah blah blah). Well this fucking guy would go to that electronics store, spend time with the employees and learn which product was best, what have you.

He'd then go home and order the products from Amazon so he'd get a deal. It's assholes like him that are killing small businesses.

[–] Adhdferret [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

We have a popular local electronics store in our area. This store is privately run and the workers know their shit and they have quality products.

You ever hear any of them say "I don't know" or do they say "Let me find that out for you"?

That is customer service as I was explain to e-werd. That guy you speak of is just part of the problem and it is a significant one mind you, but he isn't the only one to blame.

Chances are if he has an issue with something he will just get a replacement which for now will make him happy, but dude has no idea if it will happen again.

Let's take my recent experience with Vizio. I got a 65in led tv from Walmart on the 9th. Great tv mind you, but had a manufacturing defect. The screen behind the glass isn't properly secured within the bezel.

Makes a wavy effect appear on static or solid background images. Bugs the fuck outta me lol. Well Walmart said (still under manufacturing warranty) you had 5 days to return. Blah blah.

Ok so I called Vizio.....that was customer service. That lady was so helpful she explained how that happens and that they could fix it on sight, but she prefers a swap with a brand new tv.

She scheduled it for me and said they will have a team come out and do it for me so I don't have to do shit! That is customer service.

Walmart don't give a fuck it is get your shit and get the fuck out.

[–] Enfield 1 points (+1|-0)

They are not the types to bullshit you. They really do know their shit. People travel from other parts of the country to shop there because their reputation is that good.

I went to a big box store recently (like Walmart but electronics-oriented) because I happened to be right there and needed something. The workers pointed out the section I needed but I got no offer of help. The one guy and girl on the floor near me were gossiping about another coworker.

In the other store I was telling you about help was a glance away and it was like getting a Ph.D level MIT instructor break down why product A was better than product B so no, my coworker was definitely being a dick by buying from Amazon rather than the good store.

I've heard good things about Vizio. Your story influenced me to give them a shot if I need something they carry.

[–] Adhdferret [OP] 0 points (+0|-0)

Look at radio shack and their level of customer service.

Was the best for weird shit you had no idea wtf it was. Loved them for that, but with that level of customer service the consumer felt intimidated and I think that had lots to do with their downfall.

I actually try to learn all I can from people like that. Many don't and see it the other way.

With Vizio I won't shill to you, but I can tell you that EVERY product of theirs I have had still works. A 19in tv we have had for 6 years still works, a 46in for 6 years still works.

It is the only reason I stuck with them is because of consistency of quality. Now sure shit happens and with the 65 I got now it just is that..... happens. I don't get shitty about it because for one I can't make that tv. Lol

Their prices are hard to beat as well. The 65 I got is now 549 where I paid 698.....Walmart refused to give me the difference because they lowered it one day after my exchange period. So I won't buy a the from them again simple as that.

I can find these TV's somewhere else and you can bet that since I got that extra 2 year warranty I will find a reason to use it as often as I can lol.

[–] Justintoxicated 1 points (+1|-0)

I have an Amazon pet peeve, I want to be able to choose what company delivers my stuff. USPS and UPS are great, Fedex is fucking nightmare, Fedex has atrocious customer service. A couple months back I ordered a $1000 laptop (by far the most expensive laptop I ever bought but it was the power to run all the bulky programs I like well). It was supposed to be 2 business days (I would be home) but unexpectedly shifts to 4 (which is saturday so I'm okay with that), the next day the driver calls me at work to tell me he tried to deliver. I ask if he can redeliver tomorrow and he says no problem.

On Saturday the status of my package changes to Monday so I call Fedex, and the rep says "oh we don't deliver on weekends, on between 9-5" (meanwhile I'm staring at the Fedex site which has a graphic saying that they even deliver Sundays) so I ask if I can have it held at the Fedex store near my work (I need to be home to sign for the package but I work so I'm not going to be home on a weekday during 9-5).

The rep says she can't do that because I'm not the shipper and only the shipper can change the destination. So she makes me call the supplier and they reroute the package. Thoroughly annoyed with Fedex, about half an hour later the Fedex driver roles up with my package like he said he would, I give him props.

[–] jobes 1 points (+1|-0)

Go into a GameStop and look around. It doesn't have many games in it.

GameStop as a business has a shelf life; it may not survive the next round of consoles unless they do focus on selling non-game products. Remember when Microsoft announced the Xbox One at E3 and said that disc games were non-transferable because of the DRM built into the system? One disc would only work on the first console that scanned it (unless your family plan had multiple Xboxes). Microsoft almost killed GameStop entirely in 2013 until they reversed that policy.

The cost of creating physical media and packaging, the cost of distribution, the cost of buying/renting shelf space at retail stores, the loss in revenue to used game sales and the loss in revenue due to unsold physical copies make physical games a lose-lose for the publishers and developers. Not to mention the man months/man years added to game projects to have them function properly off of physical media - that's not as large of an issue anymore because you are no longer allowed to literally "play the game off disc". You have to do either full installs or iterative installs with known stop points.

It makes very little sense for companies to ship box titles, minus the "grandma saw it on the shelf at walmart and bought it for jonny for Christmas". That can easily be replaced with download codes on the shelf in a box.

[–] [Deleted] 1 points (+1|-0)

I didn't know that about the Xbox DRM. That's nuts. I haven't had a console since the N64, but we used to trade games with friends, or rent games. So that isn't possible ?

[–] jobes 0 points (+0|-0)

It still is with the current consoles. All of the DRM was reversed. It's just the PS4 and Xbone require games to be installed to the hard drive from the disc, and each console can only have maybe 8 games installed at a time. It's a nuisance

[–] [Deleted] 1 points (+1|-0)

My brother in law was complaining about how the games have to be installed, but really that's no different than a PC, he was talking about adding an additional hard drive.

[–] [Deleted] 1 points (+1|-0)

I avoid Amazon as much as I can other than reading reviews of products I want to purchase elsewhere. I know I saw the prezdint complaining about Amazon shorting the USP and not paying taxes- not sure what happened with those two issues...I'm sure Amazon has an enormous lobby and can buy any congressman/senator it wants. It seems to me that everything you receive from Amazon is some crummy Chinese made knock-off; the books they sell are some of the cheapest books I've ever purchased. Yeah, amazon sucks and we need another monopoly bust

[–] AlkaiserSoze 1 points (+1|-0)

I have always done my utmost to avoid purchasing physical items off the internet. I see very little point to it as most items that a person needs in their day to day life can be found locally. Some specialty items are difficult to locate but not impossible. I may only be one man but I will be one man who supports local businesses and avoids contributing to the growing giants of commerce. While I am not against capitalism, I feel that when businesses grow large enough to dictate the terms of our country, there may be an issue at hand.

On the issue of shipping, I feel as though the US should renegotiate the terms that Amazon enjoys with the USPS. It seems as though it is a luxury of abuse that happens on a a gigantic scale, especially now that the USPS is forcing employees to work on Sunday. Public funds should not be wasted just so that Amazon gets a good deal on shipping and everyone can continue to screw local businesses.

In all honesty, I feel the lack of awareness that people demonstrate when they support businesses like Amazon is alarming. These same people support globalism because that concept equals cheap goods and services for them. The reality of this is that those who support Amazon support a selfish style of living in which they receive the best price no matter the cost to others. They do not care where the item was manufactured, nor how it arrives. They only wish to receive their Nintendo Switch as fast as possible for as cheap as possible, regardless of whether or not anyone benefits from their purchase besides themselves.

But, that's just my two cents on the matter.

[–] Adhdferret [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

It is a very good point you made. Thing is that with my gun products I have been getting I have been trying to stay within the USA and buy only products made in USA as well.

Gun stores here are outrageous for one, for another this is done on anonymous as well. Sounds weird I know, but there is a reason I am going to such lengths.

I was unable to find a deal even remotely close to those I found online and made damn sure it wasn't a big cooperation that I got from save the tools. Really wanted the best for my dollar and nothing more, but it was that or big box retail.

Choose what is best for me is all I did.

[–] AlkaiserSoze 3 points (+3|-0)

To play Devil's Advocate against my own point, it could be seen as a reaction of income discrepancy in modern times. Average earned income has not kept pace with inflation of the dollar and inflation of cost of living. Consider the average city-dwelling American. They work a 40 hour week for less than 100k (if they are lucky enough for that). Chances are, to avoid an unreasonable commute, they live within 60-30 minutes of their job. This will translate to a higher rent unless they choose to live somewhere further away or in an area which does not fully meet their standards for a reasonable dwelling (read: slums/shitty apartment). Likely, the rent will be high. If they are lucky enough to possess a vehicle then chances are that they are leasing it, which is another monthly payment. Add in student loans, basic necessities, eating out on occasion, and suddenly you must watch your funds. Since it is not reasonable for these people to not pay their loans, debts, etc, they save where they can. This means Amazon fills a need in their lives, albeit at the cost of the local community which must in turn raise prices to compensate for lost business. This produces a cycle of economic failure for smaller businesses who are consumer facing.

I have lived in a major city and I have lived in a rural area. By far, it was must easier and cheaper to live in a rural area. Everything cost less but many things were not as easily accessible. In this age of information, accessibility and ease are the key concepts which govern peoples lives. Forced economic conditions give rise to uncomfortable scenarios, such as the death of local businesses at the hands of industry giants. Those economic giants are more adept at handling the needs of the many than local businesses, unfortunately.

The biggest downside to all of this is that I worry we will end up living in a dystopian future in which companies dictate every aspect of our lives, from goods to laws. I fail to see a positive aspect to this continuing trend and try as we might, even the best of us are prone to seeking the best deals from unscrupulous vendors from time to time. Are we really reversing this trend or merely mitigating it? Is there even a way to pull back to local suppliers and shun the global consumer market? I am unsure and nervous at the prospect. Would the cure be worse than the disease at this point in history? There are far too many uncomfortable questions which lie down this road of conceptual thought.

[–] Adhdferret [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

I get what you are saying and it is why I won't hate those that still support places like Amazon. They are just ignorant. In that they don't realize the impact because like you gave the example of a student.

They were raised in an age where everything was right there and instant gratification is a real thing. Me I wasn't raised like that. My son is like what you described and it leads me back to a discussion my grandfather had with me.

Two bulls are on this hill. A daddy bull and his son. Below them is a whole bunch of females. The son says to his dad let's run down there and fuck us one of them dad?

Daddy bull smiles and says let's walk down there and fuck them all?

Makes perfect sense when you think about it. Thing is that people have this sense of urgency when it comes to their needs these days and no care for the world around them.

Part of the American way I guess.

[–] smallpond 1 points (+1|-0)

Are we really reversing this trend or merely mitigating it? Is there even a way to pull back to local suppliers and shun the global consumer market?

This is what concerns me. I appreciate people making a principled stance but critical mass is needed to make a change or even mount some sort of defense against these larger trends. Perhaps in a small community where everyone knows each other you can get most people on board and have an effect - in a large city I suspect you'd just be pissing into the wind. The tragedy of the commons is hard to overcome.

This is a big-picture issue that would ideally be decided upon by a functional government for the benefit of the wider population. Unfortunately government for people is rare.

[–] [Deleted] 0 points (+0|-0)

I feel bad for the guy, but many people have to work Sundays. Good luck finding a low skill job that doesn't require it.

[–] mindtrip 0 points (+0|-0)

Similar issues popped up here in Australia when an entire chain of book stores shut down (Borders) due to the likes of Amazon and the Book Depository. I think some of it is a need for brick and mortar stores to adapt but also the struggle of small business vs international mega corps. I wonder if it's going to change soon though. There are winds of change in the culture, I've witnessed a resurgence in board games, DnD, and in person social activities lately. Perhaps the social techno sphere is losing it's novelty and people are craving the things technology cannot provide. Human contact and socialisation. Time will tell but here's hoping.