In what way are they right?
Oh, Now nuance matters? Now things get complicated? Welcome to my point.
You can see how silly it is to make spurious connections like that.
In America to my understanding libertarianism is considered a far-right ideology,
No.
european countries centrist
No. Well, sometimes, but it's far more complicated.
socialism/communist far left.
No.
to my understanding
Your understanding is deeply flawed. I highly recommend reading some basic introductions to politics and economics.
You're in way over your head trying to debate things you don't understand.
America is globally a very right leaning country.
No, it is not.
If we look at countries that globally are very left leaning, like..
Norway, Sweden, Canada, etc it seems that globally left leaning countries value freedom of speech the most.
but to say that religion is irrelevant just because it can be found in both is retarded
Then it's a good thing I never said that.
Or anything like it.
The question is not if it can be found in both, the question is can it be found to the same extend and magnitude.
That's a stupid question. Very stupid. While you're reading up on politics and economics, maybe you should also look into 'formal logic'.
The only thing that matters here, is if there is a connection. And since there isn't, attributing one to the other would be an error.
Norway, Sweden, Canada, etc it seems that globally left leaning countries value freedom of speech the most.
They have a extensive welfare state but at the same they also have a fairly free market.
https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
Then it's a good thing I never said that. Or anything like it.
You said it can be found in both, but that doesn't matter. It matters if there is a correlation.
Your understanding is deeply flawed. I highly recommend reading some basic introductions to politics and economics.
I can provide a source according to which free market libertarianism is to the right and that communist libertarians are to the left. Left and right in this case is entirely based on economics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
"Left-libertarian ideologies seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production, or else to restrict their purview or effects, in favor of common or cooperative ownership and management, viewing private property as a barrier to freedom and liberty.[6][7][8][9] In contrast, modern right-libertarian ideologies, such as minarchism and anarcho-capitalism, instead advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights,[10] such as in land, infrastructure and natural resources."
Economics is also the metric by which the political compass categorizes ideologies to the left or right. https://politicalcompass.org/
Can you provide sources to your claim that muslims are further to the right than the capitalist west?
They have a extensive welfare state but at the same they also have a fairly free market.
You know that the 'left' often favours a 'fairly free market', right?
Did you even read the definition I linked earlier?
Your economic freedom link shows the same thing my press freedom link did.
The US falls below more liberal countries.
You said it can be found in both, but that doesn't matter. It matters if there is a correlation.
I didn't say anything about religion. I said opposing positions on speech can be found in all ideological groups.
I can provide a source according to which free market libertarianism is to the right and that communist libertarians are to the left. Left and right in this case is entirely based on economics.
Good for you.
I can provide a source that says the moons surface is made mostly from lava.
What do libertarians have to do with anything? We were talking about liberals.
Can you provide sources to your claim that muslims are further to the right than the capitalist west?
Can you provide a source to your claim that I said "muslims are further to the right than the capitalist west"?
In what way are they right? They are authoritarian, support bloated governments and taxes.
What definition of left and right are we using? In Germany left is communism / global socialism and right is national socialism. Libertarianism is considered a centrist ideology.
In America to my understanding libertarianism is considered a far-right ideology, european countries with a mixed economy centrist and socialism/communist far left.
Muslims and libertarians are politically so far apart that it makes no sense to group them together as the same political movement.
Are we talking about americas left/right dichotomy were right is free market and small state or are we talking about another left/right dichotomy?
America is globally a very right leaning country. If we look at countries that globally are very left leaning, like venezuela, north korea, china etc. it seems that globally left leaning countries do not value freedom of speech as much.
Similarly you can find misogyny and homophobia in both christianity and islam, but to say that religion is irrelevant just because it can be found in both is retarded. If you're homosexual or value women's rights you'd be better off flying to a random christian country than to fly to a random islamic country.
The question is not if it can be found in both, the question is can it be found to the same extend and magnitude.