That is what I was getting at.
That is what I was getting at.
OK, then yeah, I think we're basically in agreement.
When the system works properly, and isn't subject to corruption and perversion, it's probably pretty good. I don't think we've ever seen it like that, so it's hard to say for sure.
When those things enter the picture, as they often, but not always do, particularly the the rich and famous and police, things become far less good.
Also, kudos to you, @InnocentBystander and @Fluf. This was a great and thoughtful conversation. Thanks for you guys' time and effort.
OK, then yeah, I think we're basically in agreement.
_When_ the system works _properly_, and _isn't_ subject to corruption and perversion, it's probably pretty good. I don't think we've ever seen it like that, so it's hard to say for sure.
When those things enter the picture, as they often, but not always do, particularly the the rich and famous and police, things become far less good.
Also, kudos to you, @InnocentBystander and @Fluf. This was a great and thoughtful conversation. Thanks for you guys' time and effort.
I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing anymore, so let my broadly clarify on a few things -
If we're talking about police, rich individuals, politicians, superstars, etc using their wealth, influence, and power to avoid getting into criminal trouble, and the corruption of the system allowing it happen, I'm in total agreement. This is something that obviously happens (Hillary e-mail scandal being a perfect case), and is no good.
If we're talking about District Attorneys not following through on criminal charges with certain individuals because they're -
-these are the same as the first case, and are still no bueno. It's still essentially a corruption of the system.
If we're talking about cops having certain powers, and poor execution/abuse of their powers does not constitute a crime when it should constitute a crime, I still agree; instances like that also exist.
But I'm not sure any of those things are what you're talking about.