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I think it could work in a similar way to how the general population has accepted our near total loss of our personal data and privacy.

I don't think it compares. We wanted to give up our data. We embraced it, because it came with convenience and other perks.
People will not embrace the banning of manual driving.

but will add some "safety features" to take control in case you inadvertently

That is somewhat happening already. Abs, traction control, backup sensors, etc.
So far though, the market has dictated that any 'sport' vehicle needs to be able to turn a lot of that off.

My bike for example. It has abs brakes, which I can, and do turn off by hitting a couple buttons on the controls.
The reason for that is that abs breaks will help a rookie driver, but will limit a skilled driver.

There is a reason many want control. Because we either can, or perceive that we can, do it better than the computer.
I trust a computer chip for things like 'fly-by-wire'. But I do not trust it to not activate abs while I am leaning hard in a corner. Also, threshold breaking can outperform abs, and engine braking results in less wear and tear on the bike.

Point being: From a sport/enthusiast perspective, the manual control vehicle will never go away.
Eventually it may be curtailed to tracks, but not in my lifetime.

[–] smallpond 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

Almost nobody "wanted" to give up their data, but as a group our stupidity and lack of willpower meant we were powerless to resist it.

So far though, the market has dictated that any 'sport' vehicle needs to be able to turn a lot of that off.

In the early years you might have a button that says it's off, but of course it will still be sending all the data it is capable of collecting back to its manufacturer, and perhaps if someone with sufficient resources wants to murder you or use you and your penchant for dangerous driving to murder someone else, it will switch back on one last time. Of course the police/CIA/NSA will have override capabilities whether they tell the public about it or not.

There is a reason many want control.

Perhaps you misunderstood my meaning above. I meant government and corporate control. Not that I know much about who you are, but "we" will not have control.

You mentioned guns above: The primary function of guns is to kill/hurt people, so they're quite different from cars, whose primary function is to transport people. Even sporting enthusiasts are going to have a hard time arguing that removing the ability to kill members of the public takes all the fun out of driving.

Eventually it may be curtailed to tracks, but not in my lifetime.

Seems like you're coming around to my point of view: I hope you're right and it happens later rather than sooner.

[–] InnocentBystander 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

your penchant for dangerous driving

Is that an accusation? What makes you think I drive dangerously?

to murder someone else

That's a bit extreme. If a plane crashes into a house would you call the pilot a murderer?
How about a cyclist that kills someone?

I don't feel your opinion on this is rational.

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Almost nobody "wanted" to give up their data, but as a group our stupidity and lack of willpower meant we were powerless to resist it.

Not true. We (as in humanity collectively) gave it up not only willingly, but happy to do so.
Maybe you didn't. But the majority did. They know Apple has no respect for privacy or human rights, and the line up for it.

[–] smallpond 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

Is that an accusation? What makes you think I drive dangerously?

No way. I'm just using a little poetic licence/language to try to imply a future where all manual driving is considered equivalent to "dangerous" driving.

to murder someone else

Vehicle cybersecurity/hacking is already a big thing. I was talking about a powerful group compromising your vehicle's controls to assassinate someone else, using you as a scapegoat because you enjoy driving your own car. Obviously* not an everyday occurrence, but I think it's completely possible/rational.

Edit: * from "Hopefully". I also edited the police/CIA/NSA line from the last comment.

Edit2: Ok, upon further thought the blatant assassination scenario is probably too simplistic to be realistic. However the power afforded to anyone who can gain control of these new vehicles capable of sensing their environment in subtle ways and acting autonomously is terrifying. The potential for nefarious activity leaves me lost for words.