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[–] Mattvision 1 points (+3|-2) Edited

Don't know why you're getting downvoted, this place is usually good at only downvoting spam and crap like that.

I just thought I'd say one more thing here. When you say things like 'It's a racist fact', you're falling into the exact trap racists want to find you in. Either you agree with them on all their horrible ideas about white supremacy, the forced expropriation of all non-whites to their native lands, etc etc, or you have to deny reality.

Those aren't your only choices. You can accept reality without embracing it. If in the real world, Jews have more IQ points on average than other racial groups, then that's just another horrible part of the world we're given. I don't like it, I wish it weren't so, and it certainly doesn't make me feel any different towards my fellow man than I otherwise would, but it's the truth. The horrible truth that we have to accept because whether or not I, you, or anyone else feels it's racist doesn't change shit about the actual facts.

We can't control reality, but we can certainly control how we react to it. Don't let anyone confuse you away from that.

Jews have more IQ points on average than other racial groups, then that's just another horrible part of the world we're given. I don't like it,

Why?
The diversity of the human species is one of its greatest strengths. I'm a big fan personally.
The world would be a boring place if we were all the same.

Recognizing that people are different, and that some are better/worse at some things does not imply a hatred of 'others'.
I feel people are different, and that's ok.

Don't know why you're getting downvoted

I gave him one on that comment. I don't know where the others came from.
He earned it because it was not a genuine attempt at conversation or debate. It was an intentional attempt to shutdown and discredit.

Also, have a look at his(or most others) up/down ratio compared to mine before thinking I'm the bad-guy.
I don't downvote for disagreement. But I do downvote misinformation, malice, and spam. Mostly spam.

[–] Mattvision 2 points (+2|-0)

Why? The diversity of the human species is one of its greatest strengths. I'm a big fan personally. The world would be a boring place if we were all the same.

Recognizing that people are different, and that some are better/worse at some things does not imply a hatred of 'others'. I feel people are different, and that's ok.

Because the same set of research can also be cited to show that some groups of people are not merely 'worse at some things', but that some are actually lacking in intelligence to the same extent as mentally handicapped people, and it may easily be a factor (not the entirety of the cause mind you) of the conditions of the people living in those places. When something causes or contributes to human suffering, I tend not to have a positive opinion on that thing.

Because the same set of research can also be cited to show that some groups of people are not merely 'worse at some things', but that some are actually lacking in intelligence to the same extent as mentally handicapped people,

How does suppressing that knowledge help anything? Knowledge can be used for good, or evil. A good example is atomic energy vs. atomic bombs.

it may easily be a factor .. of the conditions of the people living in those places.

Absolutely. All the more reason for further study.

When something causes or contributes to human suffering, I tend not to have a positive opinion on that thing.

Everything can cause harm. A truck can be used for mass-killings. Christianity can lead to brutality.
In my opinion, suppression of science has never resulted in a benefit to mankind.
I think what can be done is irrelevant. It's all about what you do with it.

Recognizing that people are different does not have to come with malice. For example, think of two friends. One is smarter than the other. Does that lessen eithers value?
One is stronger than the other also. How does that change things?
None of that stuff matters from an objective value perspective. They're both entitled to the same rights and basic human dignities. It's also not much of a factor for most when deciding who to like.
But it does matter in specific contexts. Take the athletic on hiking, and play chess with the academic one. Or the opposite, if you want to look good.

The same ideas can be applied to race. For example, if I'm going to climb Everest, selecting Sherpa climbers to help is a good plan. They usually have physical features that make them better suited for the task. It does not mean that I have to dislike them, or that they are a master race.
It seems like an intuitive concept for people when we think of others similar to us, but once you start recognizing race related differences the rules seem to change.
"My cousins side of the family tends to grow a lot taller" <- Reasonable
"Black people tend to be taller" <- Stinks of racism..
Why a difference?

My main points though are that differences should be celebrated, not viewed poorly.
And I don't think science should ever be suppressed, even if we don't like the answers.