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[–] Butler_crosley 0 points (+0|-0)

If that's the reason for immigration, why did the caravan refuse Mexico's offer of employment? There's more to it than jobs.

I've stated that previously. I think that the people in the caravan have valid reasons to be fleeing their home countries even if the caravan is being used for something different. These are desperate people to risk everything to try and come to the US in hopes of a better and safer life.

The Georgia experiment was expanded to those on unemployment and no one would work those jobs. There is a stigma in the US that manual labor jobs aren't an honest career to pursue because the hours are long and the pay is too low (even though it's usually above minimum wage). Historically many Americans see manual labor jobs as something for second class citizens and immigrants (slaves, then the Irish, then the Chinese...). So if Americans are refusing to work those jobs then someone is needed until the stigma is broken.

My reason for upping the limits for H-2A visas is that the migrant crews that are here on visas clearly isn't enough. The crews end up being a mix of illegal and legal workers. Most the farmers know what's going on as well but since they deal with the legal crew bosses and house the ones with visas, they turn a blind eye to the illegals on the crews. The system is broken and the farmers already have a ton of hurdles to jump just to get the ones that have visas. Raise the visa numbers and make it easier for the farmers to navigate the process and the demand for illegals will drop. I'm sure the same problems exist in construction. For landscapers they also need to make the visa process simpler and more landscapers would probably use it. In Atlanta the landscapers are hard pressed to find American workers that are hardworking and trustworthy so they're more willing to take a chance on an illegal standing at a gas station looking for work (that's a damn sight to see 50 Hispanics at a gas station waiting for work). Fix the system otherwise it will keep happening regardless of a wall being built or not.

[–] ScorpioGlitch 0 points (+0|-0)

Just as an update, making a new reply so I know you'll see this instead of editing and maybe missing it:

I've stated that previously. I think that the people in the caravan have valid reasons to be fleeing their home countries even if the caravan is being used for something different. These are desperate people to risk everything to try and come to the US in hopes of a better and safer life.

http://archive.is/xhqi9#selection-955.1-955.403

What the president of Honduras told me is that the caravan was organized by leftist organizations, political activists within Honduras, and he said it was being funded by outside groups, and even from Venezuela," Pence told Fox News in an interview late Friday in Yuma, Arizona. "So the American people, I think, see through this – they understand this is not a spontaneous caravan of vulnerable people"

Huh. We'll see, yeah? The President of Honduras has had two days to refute that. He hasn't.

That puts things in an interesting light.

[–] Butler_crosley 0 points (+0|-0)

Thanks. Didn't I agree that the caravan was probably "coyotes" or NGO organized? I read the related article about one group that went 62 miles in a day and the quoted Pence as saying human traffickers ("coyotes") were involved in organizing the caravan. I think the splintering is indicative of the NGOs stepping back now and the "coyotes" taking over the leading of various groups.