Unfortunately I don't think I'm going to get too far when you've been exposed to industry propaganda for decades telling you that global heating is all fine and nothing to worry about. If you can't see through those simple misleading arguments about natural cycles and so on, that's probably the way it'll stay.
I recommend you browse this website https://skepticalscience.com/
Granted, but the only way to reliably constrain the hollow men is with clear, simple, improvements in the not-too-distant future. Goals for which failure is clear and undeniable
I do kind of like the modesty involved here: Almost every expert I have access to is telling me my house is unsafe, and the roof could collapse in weeks killing my family. However I am too incompetent to do anything about a problem so complex and time-consuming, so I will focus on small short-term goals like vacuuming and cooking dinner (and not getting in my husband's way while he knocks down that wall to make the kitchen more open-plan) until the house collapses, possibly killing us all.
I agree governments are not up to the task, but nonetheless the task remains and is not any less urgent. We will all pay dearly for neglecting it.
Even when people agree about global warming, then the debate moves to how much humans are effecting it.
It doesn't help when people like Professor Lennart Bengtsson have their papers suppressed because they don't fit the 'narrative'. You can be skeptical of this, but from what I have seen with covid it only reinforces how big tech and governments collude to make sure their message is the only one people consider.
We also see some of the biggest advocates for lifestyle changes in the name of global warming flying around on private jets and vacationing on huge yachts. They are traveling en masse to climate summits (Zoom anyone?). It makes it hard to take any of it seriously.
Most of our debate is not something we will be able to come together on. I simply cannot understand the viewpoint that an individual would cede his personal choices to a government for the 'betterment of society' (again we cannot even agree on what is "betterment", let alone how to get there). As if I cannot decide for myself what is best for myself and family.
I simply cannot understand the viewpoint that an individual would cede his personal choices to a government for the 'betterment of society'
Eh, that's basically what living in a community means.
The central thing to agree on regarding global heating is that it's anthropogenic. The debate is not whether the earth is warming or if trees need light, despite what Tucker Carlson was trying to peddle a few years ago.
It's funny that you don't see the overwhelming corporate money influence: in both cases big money is pushing quick adoption of vaccines and denial of anthopogenic global warming. They are different issues, and I hope you're not just another right-winger who only believes what righties are allowed to, just as the lefties do.
Again, the fact that some people fly while admitting climate change argument is laughable. It's not ideal, but the means justifies the ends. The whole of society needs to move - I make a very modest effort to push society in the right direction, but it is incredibly stupid to focus on one's own personal emissions as though they make a difference when the powerful have already decided to let the world fry.
Most of our debate is not something we will be able to come together on. I simply cannot understand the viewpoint that an individual would cede his personal choices to a government for the 'betterment of society' (again we cannot even agree on what is "betterment", let alone how to get there). As if I cannot decide for myself what is best for myself and family.
I assume that you have grown up in the embrace of a protective government, and can't fully appreciate what its absence would look like. There are many important things that you are unable to do for your family, things that can only be provided by government or an equivalent collective authority. That authority will need some support and funding and maybe even some cooperation on the part of citizens.
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again we cannot even agree on what is "betterment", let alone how to get there
I'm not convinced by that. I think if we started talking details we'd probably agree on most things.
I don't think I'm going to get too far
Probably not, but I find argumentative discussions to be great fun.
Granted, but the only way to reliably constrain the hollow men is with clear, simple, improvements in the not-too-distant future. Goals for which failure is clear and undeniable, preferably before a reelection campaign can get underway.
Personally I find this line of argument unconvincing. Either the forecast is incredibly underwhelming (a degree or two of temperature difference, sometime next century, maybe), or else spins perfectly natural cycles as a cataclysm which must be halted. This feels a lot like throwing a wrench into a complicated set of gears trying to make it stop and instead risk it tearing itself to bits, although I acknowledge that you perceive industrialization as a wrench already making gears grind.
The whole thing comes across like climate activists are saving us from climate change in a manner very similar to how Trudeau is saving truckers from covid.
Regions will be rendered inhospitable and people will have to move? People act like that hasn't been happening since the dawn of history. We'll sort it out when we get there, if it happens at all. And no, "now" is not the time for sorting out the distant problems of whether the beach is 1' shorter in 2040.