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[–] Dii_Casses 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

Government is not a weather control program; they have other obligations.

If we get right down to it, the US government shouldn't be much more than a military, a postal service, and customs/imports office.

[–] [Deleted] 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

I feel Federal government should work to limit pollution that is directly harming the environment. If "State A" pollutes, "State B" will feel the effects. I'll give one real life example. States outside of Ohio were allowing farm run off into the watershed which eventually made its way into the Maumee river. When the river drained into Lake Erie it caused algae blooms. It was so bad the tap water was undrinkable.

The problem is not all pollution has such a noticeable cause and effect. I am of the opinion that much of these global warming measures do nothing other than move money around.

Some of these measure actually make more pollution. Ethanol fuel has been debunked for years, but they won't kill it because it is politically dangerous. You risk losing votes from farms and money from their lobbies. That is a perfect example of why these things should not be subsidized.

@smallpond

[–] smallpond [OP] 0 points (+0|-0)

You have your own perception of what is "directly harming the environment". If you studied more you might change you opinion of what harms the environment, what harms it more severely, and what harms it in relatively irreversible ways.

Some people are not capable of a level of comprehension that lets them understand effects that can't be explained to young children. Hence it's important to have competent public science bodies that are trusted by the public.

[–] [Deleted] 0 points (+0|-0)

competent public science bodies that are trusted by the public.

Like Anthony 'trust the science' Fauci?

[–] smallpond [OP] 2 points (+2|-0)

Ideally their primary obligation should be to act in the long-term best interests of the citizens of the country. Environmental protection should be an important part of that.

Of course most modern governments seem to be composed of hollow men who talk nonsense while helping powerful corporations increase their profits by shitting on everything.

[–] [Deleted] 1 points (+1|-0)

their primary obligation should be to act in the long-term best interests of the citizens of the country

The problem is no one can agree on what is "best interests" which is why I defer to a more libertarian approach. I don't think my opinion of 'what is best' should be legislated onto anyone else.

[–] smallpond [OP] 0 points (+0|-0)

Yes, parenting is hideously complicated and my wife and I have different opinions on how to do it. Therefore let's defer to a libertarian approach and let children wander free in the world, and free of our biased conceptions of what parenting should be.

There is a world of difference between an honest attempt at something complex, and no attempt at all, or an attempt at doing the opposite. If people were not morons, we would elect people making honest attempts to do good, and perhaps change our minds occasionally. That's not the same as electing people who are obviously corrupt, or totally doing away with government: Looking the other way while letting bad people run free to rape your neighbours seems lazy and unwise, whether you do the raping or not, at some point you'll get what's going around.

[–] Dii_Casses 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

Ideally their primary obligation should be to act in the long-term best interests of the citizens of the country.

Sure, and most of my objection to climate anything is pragmatic. Climate change policy is an infinite money pit that promises to deliver bugger-all, 3 or 4 generations from now. It is the wet dream of those hollow men, able to leech off government grant money for decades knowing full well that nobody will be able to notice the lack of results until long after they're dead. If it can be noticed at all.

It is not obvious to me that it is in our best long-term interests to cut emissions rather than, I dunno, let coastal insurance rates rise in an organic manner. We've eliminated most of the smog, most of the water is drinkable (outside Flint). We hit the low-hanging fruit decades ago and have run out of obviously-productive ways we can spend money on environmentalism.

Actually I've been recently sold on one measure: Allegedly if we protect ~15% of the continental shelves from fishing, that should be all we need to keep fish stocks sustainable.

[–] smallpond [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

Climate change is an existential threat to our species, and if our species wasn't demonstrably moronic, we would prioritize fixing it asap. Countries that cannot fix it alone should be pressuring others to contribute, and essentially prepping as nations for an extremely hostile future.

Just because hollow men corrupt climate change initiatives like they corrupt everything else, it does not invalidate the underlying physics or the magnitude of the problem.