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This isn't a child or anything, they're a grown adult.

I know a person who really believes in a lot of supernatural bullshit, and refuses to get back to reality.

Some notable things they've done would include spending a few hundred dollars on special 'healing' rocks, blaming everyone's behavior (including their own) on astrology signs, and actually warning me, as though they were concerned for my safety, about not getting into occult things (I made a dumb joke about Satan worship) because of this story they've heard about a guy buying an ouija board and having to sell it on eBay because some spoopy shit was happening.

Whenever I tell them that science has produced no evidence of any of these things, or that the easiest explanation to all of those things would be fake stories, ancient superstition, and the placebo effect, they'll just respond with "Well just because nobody's proven it yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist".

Then I'll ask them if we should believe in unicorns or purple elephants or something stupid, and just assume they haven't been found yet. To which they'll respond with a smug "Maybe, who knows? Nobody can know everything for sure."

How do I convince them that they believe in a bunch of delusional crap? I'm really worried they might fall down the wrong rabbit hole one day and end up getting hurt.

This isn't a child or anything, they're a grown adult. I know a person who really believes in a lot of supernatural bullshit, and refuses to get back to reality. Some notable things they've done would include spending a few hundred dollars on special 'healing' rocks, blaming everyone's behavior (including their own) on astrology signs, and actually warning me, as though they were concerned for my safety, about not getting into occult things (I made a dumb joke about Satan worship) because of this story they've heard about a guy buying an ouija board and having to sell it on eBay because some spoopy shit was happening. Whenever I tell them that science has produced no evidence of any of these things, or that the easiest explanation to all of those things would be fake stories, ancient superstition, and the placebo effect, they'll just respond with "Well just because nobody's proven it yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist". Then I'll ask them if we should believe in unicorns or purple elephants or something stupid, and just assume they haven't been found yet. To which they'll respond with a smug "Maybe, who knows? Nobody can know *everything* for sure." How do I convince them that they believe in a bunch of delusional crap? I'm really worried they might fall down the wrong rabbit hole one day and end up getting hurt.

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[–] Kannibal 3 points (+3|-0)

Of course there are frauds and hucksters.

There are also real effects that have incorrect explanations

A lot of these things are placebo effect, for example. This does not mean you dismiss it as "only a placebo effect" Placebo effects can be impressively real. One spectacular example is this medical case.

Incurable Skin Disease Completely Healed By Power Of Suggestion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V22CTJwQkjM

so if you dismiss this out of hand, you can be going against what they "know is true" even if their explanation is obviously wrong.

This case also whistles by (i.e ignoring) the implications of "the power of faith" --- Placebo results from the fact of believing something is a certain way.


You are also dealing with fixed mental models of the universe. This can get rather religious in weird ways. Sort of like people with stubborn political beliefs and prejudgments of situations and people.

So when you say these things are stupid, you are coming in at too high a level. You need to address the problems at a much more fundamental level.

For example

Racism is basically wrong because there are 48 visually distinguishable human types, and skin color does not really correspond to other characteristics like blood type, etc. It is entirely superficial. There is no blood test for whiteness.

see Artist's Guide to Human EthnoTypes

http://cedarseed.com/portfolio/human-types/

and the Nazi version of racism is event more superficial, because it is entirely tribal (german race, british race, spanish race, etc)

There are many human types. But the old ideas of race are obsolete and laughable, because the reality of the human condition is sooooo much more complicated.

What they should research are the genetics of their own personal ancestry.

Origins, spread and ethnic association of European haplogroups and subclades

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml

also

https://www.familytreedna.com/projects.aspx

for example

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1a/about/background

quick chart http://i.imgur.com/IKLXss5.jpg

get expert on this, and a lot of other weird ideas fade away.


so the bottom line is saw away at the foundations of their unfounded belief with things they can get interested in.