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It may be that Comey's handling of the email investigation during the election was egregious enough to can him, but the circumstances and timing are bizarre.

Reasonable normie: It is horrid PR. Trump (or his advisers) must know how bad it looks to fire someone who is investigating you and even worse when a pattern emerges. Could they really be that naive to think they can control the narrative on this story?

Paranoid conspiracist: It is a way to fan into flame the slow burning Russia story to distract from something else (healthcare, nepotism, budget, lies ...) Are they that clever? Is it a necessary step towards appointing a stooge?

The simpler explanation is that Trump's administration is inept or misinformed but those are worrying conclusions.

It may be that Comey's handling of the email investigation during the election was egregious enough to can him, but the circumstances and timing are bizarre. Reasonable normie: It is horrid PR. Trump (or his advisers) must know how bad it looks to fire someone who is investigating you and even worse when a pattern emerges. Could they really be that naive to think they can control the narrative on this story? Paranoid conspiracist: It is a way to fan into flame the slow burning Russia story to distract from something else (healthcare, nepotism, budget, lies ...) Are they that clever? Is it a necessary step towards appointing a stooge? The simpler explanation is that Trump's administration is inept or misinformed but those are worrying conclusions.

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[–] TheRedArmy 5 points (+5|-0) Edited

It may be that Comey's handling of the email investigation during the election was egregious enough to can him, but the circumstances and timing are bizarre.

I'm reminded of the incident, when it was beginning to come out about the Benghazi scandal with Hillary, where Bill Clinton and Attorney General Loretta Lynch privately meeting on a landed airplane and it being caught on camera. The story that Loretta stuck to (I can't recall Bill's side of it, likely the same, he's too savvy to fall into an obvious trap, I think) was that they happened to meet accidentally and they mostly talked about their families and grandchildren in particular. Of course, no one who was convinced Hillary had done some wrong with Benghazi bought that for even half a second; how likely is it that you "happen" to meet someone on an airplane tarmac, in a private jet, and then fail to fly anywhere after?

Given the circumstances, it could only possibly look bad. Given that Loretta and the Justice Department later did nothing regarding all this, I bet neutral people found it massively suspicious as well. It's another case of timing and circumstances being bizarre. The most conspiracy-theorist side of me also rates the numerous mysterious deaths surrounding the DNC in the lead-up to the election as incredibly suspicious too.

Could they really be that naive to think they can control the narrative on this story?

I think lots of people in positions of power and influence think they could control the story; all too often people like this get surrounded by yes-men, and they're all inside this "bubble", so to speak, so they don't have people who are more grounded in reality with the courage to say "you're a fucking dumb-ass, this shit isn't going to fly", and so they find themselves in these bad situations.

Are they that clever? Is it a necessary step towards appointing a stooge?

No and somewhat.

I don't think Trump and his team are stupid, although I don't rate them as particularly smart, either. But lots of presidents do things like this, throwing consequences to the wind because, ultimately, who's gonna stop them? The only ones with the power to impeach or stop actions he takes are Congress. Republicans control both houses, and unless things get completely out-of-control, not one person from the Republican Party is going to say "let's impeach our own president and put a stain on our party that will never go away."

As for the stooge, well, all appointed positions are stooges to some extent. You appoint someone because they basically will do what you say. Positions like Director of the CIA, Head of the Department of Justice - these are political positions, whether they should be or not. You get there because you have 2 things: political clout, and the trust of the President and his staff that you'll do right by them and advance their policies. If you don't have those things, you don't get the job; you're not even asked for a resume.

The simpler explanation is that Trump's administration is inept or misinformed but those are worrying conclusions.

I don't think I've seen a truly competent administration, at all or even most levels, in my lifetime. Not sure why this one would be any different.

EDIT: Had an incident wrong and changed a couple sentences to correct it.

[–] Violentlight 5 points (+5|-0)

Cromey told everyone that Hillary was guilty. But she had no intent to be guilty. So its all good.

He did not seem like a man doing his job.

[–] TheRedArmy 5 points (+5|-0)

This is my impression as well.

I've heard from a lot of private-sector people who handled relatively low classified materials. "Confidential" is the lowest classified material rating (for reference, my brother, a 6-year grunt in the National Guard who achieved the rank of Specialist, has "Top Secret" clearance, a full two ratings higher; although likely only on a need-to-know basis), and several private contractors for the government deal with confidential information routinely. They all, almost universally, report that if they ever leaked anything with even confidential classification out to the general public they would:

  • Lose their job
  • Never get clearance to work with anything classified ever again
  • Face a heavy fine by way of their contract
  • Possibly/probably face criminal charges, depending on the information

Note that among Hillary's leaked e-mails I believe something like 80 were confidential, and some number of others (not more than 12, as I recall), were even higher classification.

So definitely not doing his job, and definitely would've been far, far worse for any regular person who did something like that.

[–] phoxy [OP] 3 points (+3|-0)

So maybe this is Trump trying to keep his Jail Hillary promise. It would be good to see consequences for elite lawbreakers. Hopefully it isn't trading consequences for Hillary in exchange for a lip service Russia investigation.

I'm not holding my breath.

[–] Boukert 1 points (+1|-0)

It is odd to say the least.

No matter what his "ties to Russia" are, now everything is getting suspicious. Think about it, Trump will assign the guy who will be responsible for the investigation into president Trump.....

I don't mean to jump on any bandwagons but Trump is starting to show very alarming "dictator wannabe" behavior. I've been following populist leaders in continental politics for decades and i think there are traces of Berlusconi and early Erdogan in here.