[–] jobes [OP] 3 points (+3|-0)

Still, defense lawyers contend that there was no probable cause to arrest and charge the suspects, arguing, among other things, that the suspects had no operational plan to do anything, were engaged in all legal activities — including talking in encrypted group chats and practicing military exercises with lawfully owned guns — and that it was the informants and undercover agents who "pushed" others to do illegal things.

"One of the most active leaders was your informant," Graham said.

It will be curious if they'll be able to obtain the full scope of the recordings and be able to prove that the informant was the one leading the entire kidnapping plot.