Terry Crews: Men Don’t See Women As ‘All the Way Human’

[–] kromulent 4 points (+4|-0)

The example he gave - I don't want the stripper to talk, lest she become "too real" and spoil the illusion - is more of a commentary on strip clubs, then of men. Male strippers who perform for women are no less objectified. That's the whole point of this sort of entertainment, to offer the illusion of sexual gratification without the difficult or less attractive parts attached.

Sure, masculinity can get screwed up, among those who take it to an extreme. Visit everydayfeminism.com to see what happens when women play the same stupid game.

[–] AlkaiserSoze 3 points (+3|-0)

Honestly, it seems like he's just pandering to the crowd for precious points. Then again, these days it seems as though there is very little acceptable grey area in society. You're either completely toxic to the other side or you're the embodiment of their ideals. This isn't limited to one side, either.

In any case, I mentioned in another reply to this thread that I get the feeling he implied that his general view of women extended beyond the strip club.

[–] kromulent 3 points (+3|-0)

Yeah, I think that's a fair assumption. It's a tough thing to really examine though.

If we agree to see women as less human then men, then the word 'human' just becomes synonym for 'man'. What he's really talking about is the belief that women and men are different, and that women are less interesting to him, less valuable in his eyes.

Well, so what?

Lots of women think that men are less interesting, and not as valuable. And some men see their fellow men that way, and some women see other women that way. Wherever we see the difference, we pretty much have to expect that there will be a preference as well.

But, like you said, he's pandering. It's how he makes his dollars, and it's why we are here talking about him. He's smart enough to make it pay.

[–] PhuksNewfag 1 points (+1|-0)

He's an ex-actor and former NFL player. He might very well come from a surrounding that treats women as less than humans (harvey weinstein, lots of abused former child actors, NFL players who made domestic violence headlines).

He might even be sort of right when he says he's part of a toxic cult, but it's not masculinity. It's wrong of him to assume that this applies to society as a whole.

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[–] AlkaiserSoze -1 points (+0|-1)

Agreed. Especially with his recent confession about being groped, after all. He wishes to stay relevant in the spotlight of this particular issue, which I can understand. In this particular industry (Hollywood, the limelight, what have you) you really must swim or die from the public mind. Polarizing comments will accomplish that objective quite nicely and require very little actual thought, from what I can understand.

On the topic of men vs women, I believe such an age old debate will never truly be resolved. I respect my girlfriend. While she can be very emotional she can also wield a very cold logic. I have always entertained the view that everyone is bound by their genetic coding to some degree but nuture can expand a person much further than nature. That in itself is a debate which may be older than men vs women, frankly.

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[–] PhuksNewfag 0 points (+0|-0)

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And [men are] like, ‘But you’re not all the way human. You’re here for me, you’re here for my deal.’ It’s real.

How delusional can one be? Men are forced to work for women they don't know, as most taxes are paid by men and most are consumed by women (including besides welfare salaries of teachers etc.). If a civil or international war breaks out they'll be the first to be drafted and die in masses. It's socially acceptable to cut off a part of their penis and make a profit by turning it into anti-aging creme.

You can treat them like a wallet (which is a form of objectification, a wallet is an object!), send them to die, force them to work for you or mutilate them. Barely anyone cares.

And I wouldn't even care about things being this way, I think it's to some degree natural that men are utility and providers, but if you then go ahead and say that they are the oppressors and constantly victimize women it simply goes to far.

[–] Kannibal [OP] 2 points (+2|-0)

to be fair, Terry was citing the example of football players at a strip club, where they want their entertainment and do not want to know about the personal situations of the women in the club.

It's hard to engage in a fantasy if you are distracted by how she is trying to put food on the table for her kids.

so the circumstances you cite are something else entirely.

[–] AlkaiserSoze 2 points (+2|-0)

“I am guilty,” he said. “I believed, simply because I was a man, that I was more valuable than my wife and the other women in my life.”

It almost seems like he took experiences from his own life and assumed the majority of other males act like him/his friends. Judging from other statements he made, I get the feeling it was more than just the strip club experience he cites. In any case, I believe he is rather foolish to think that all/most men are like this. Sure, some people do, but when a person goes out and speaks like this to a group of people it does little more than stir up hostile emotions. I see this as basically a circlejerk that is meant to justify emotional reactions which can lead to more bitter feelings in future personal interactions. Granted, he is probably preaching to the choir, judging by the name of the conference, so it may not be making things that much worse.

Just my two cents, though.

[–] PhuksNewfag 2 points (+2|-0)

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He's an ex-actor and NFL player. It seems like women are not particularly well treated by hollywood (even worse off appear child actors) and there had been a bunch of NFL players who made negative headlines due to domestic abuse, maybe it's wrong to jump to conclusions because of these headlines but it might be an indication for a trend.

As such he might has a very distorted worldview due to his surroundings, as do other celebrities like Emma watson.

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[–] PhuksNewfag 1 points (+1|-0)

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He used the strip club as an example to "further illustrate the point", but the strip club experience itself is not his point, it's just an example of his point. His point being what I quoted and which was said prior to the strip club example. He also said this:

“I am guilty,” he said. “I believed, simply because I was a man, that I was more valuable than my wife and the other women in my life.”

As such the circumstances I cite are very relevant to his prime point. He might think this way, but he shouldn't project his personal feelings on other men or society as a whole.

It's hard to engage in a fantasy if you are distracted by how she is trying to put food on the table for her kids.

Most of us, you most likely included, first and foremost perceive service workers as a function, not a person. People very easily forget when for example calling a service hotline that they are not talking to a company they're frustrated with but a real person. And they similarly don't give a fuck about the personal problems of the person they're talking to, they are a function and expected to be functional.

I think when it comes to being de-personalized they are actually worse off than prostitutes.

Terry Crews: Men Don’t See Women As ‘All the Way Human’

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