Rule 2 caused about 90% of the problems in /v/news. I would suggest a change from "User-editorialized titles are subject to deletion" to "User-edited titles are subject to deletion".

ie just cut and paste the title from the original article. User-editorialized creates a grey area about what is editorialisation and what isn't which immediately leads to accussations of bias by mods if they enforce the rule.

I think that historical news articles if they are interesting and factual should be allowed. I don't think they would take away or obscure real news stories as those would naturally become hot topics. One could always create a historical news sub, but imho it would be fine by me if there were really good news articles or archives of interesting or informative news in this sub.

Thoughts on rules

1. Must Be Recent: News should not be older than 30 days at the time of submission. If the article is directly relevant to today, it will be allowed.

@THC and @Ventus had some comments on this. I think we should allow older news articles, but make people write the date of the article in the title if it is more than a month old. There are some instances where old news becomes relevant again, so it doesn't make sense to completely disallow it.

1. Submission Titles: User-editorialized titles are subject to deletion. State only the facts, not opinions or speculation. Do not use ALL-CAPS. If a submission is removed and rule two is cited, re-title the article and post it again.

Everyone should copy and paste the original article title. This is one thing that Reddit got right and Voat got wrong.

1. No Image Posts: Submissions must be articles or videos that depict news.

I think this is a good rule. However, in exceptional circumstances (such as someone being in the middle of a "happening" and posting photos of it) images should be allowed. There are a lot of instances of highly upvoted posts being deleted on Reddit because they don't exactly fit into the ruleset, but if we make exceptions like this, it won't happen as often.

1. No Social Media Links: Personal Blog Posts, Wiki Entries, Facebook, Twitter, etc. This includes links to Reddit. Please use /v/meanwhileonreddit.

Keep this rule, but have something similar to rule #3. In the event of a happening, let people post social media links because it is often the only way to figure out what is really going on in a situation that unfolds too fast for media outlets to keep up.

1. No Paywalls: The link must be easily accessible, without signing up or spending money. Please use an archive for known paywall sites or include one in the comments section.

Yes.

1. No URL Shorteners or Redirects: Link directly to the article. Archive links are allowed.

Yes.

1. Please translate non-English articles: Use Google Translate in the link or post the translation in the comments.

Yes.

Please Be Civil: Arguing is fine as we all have differing opinions, but please respect each other.

I would like to keep this on the sidebar. Clearly it did not do wonders on Voat, but it is nice to have it there anyway.

Thoughts on /s/News mods and mods in general

Make sure the people modding the important defaults know how to moderate. It does not matter how much content they submit, and being able to tell when a post is breaking sidebar rules is not everything. A lot of drama and bad modding could have been avoided on Voat and on Reddit if the mods were good at looking at posts on a case by case basis. Clearly there are some posts which definitely should be removed, but sometimes a post will be made that sits in a grey area.

I think we would benefit from finding the middle ground between Reddit and Voat. Reddit moderators remove far too many posts and stick to the rules too much. Voat mods are either non existent or there are basically no rules left on the defaults because a certain "free speech" group took them away.

Just an idea - how about a no YouTube rule?

My thinking is that this would be a good way to combat the idiots who spam their youtube channels all over /v/news.

We could have a seperate TVnews sub for people who wanted to post videos?

I would change #4 to include official twitter sources. Posts would prefferably need to supply a context or side article in the comments to.

My reasoning:

• yes twitter is a valid news source

• Context is needed though to form a complete news story. This is to prevent random tweets spamming (Trump just whiped his ass!! etc etc)

Please use /v/meanwhileonreddit

use /v/meanwhileonreddit

/v/meanwhileonreddit

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User-editorialized titles are subject to deletion.

Retarded.

No Social Media Links:

Questionable. Most 'news' links that adhere to this rule on sites like reddit/voat are nothing more than a handful of comments and a page full of copied twitter posts.

Besides, the platform is not what makes it news or not. It is the content that makes it news or not.

Lastly let's not forget that we now have a president who directly addresses the people via Twitter instead of filtering a bunch of bullshit through fake 'news' agencies like all the other lying ass politicians.

Please use an archive

No.