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[–] InnocentBystander 3 points (+3|-0) Edited

So 'anti-LGBT hate group' is the new way to say Christian?
I mean, it's not exactly wrong, but it should be noted that Obama (and every American politician ever) has also courted this 'hate group'. Hillary was outspoken about her opposition to gay marriage, until changing with the winds later.

But it's evil this time, because Trump, right?
RIP honest discourse.

Values Voter Summit was created in 2006 to provide a forum to help inform and mobilize citizens across America to preserve the bedrock values of traditional marriage, religious liberty, sanctity of life and limited government that make our nation strong.

They have some antiquated views, but they're hardly a hate group.

[–] PMYA [OP] 3 points (+3|-0)

I think it is important to remember that this is coming from a UK source intended for UK readers. We don't really have stuff like this here, it is an oddity founded on principles that are not mainstream in our country. If it existed here, an anti-LGBT hate group is exactly what it would be.

Hillary was outspoken about her opposition to gay marriage, until changing with the winds later.

But it's evil this time, because Trump, right?

No... What the president of the US does can not be thrown out because the other candidate in the election - which ceased to matter as soon as it ended - did this, that or the other.

[–] TheRedArmy 3 points (+3|-0) Edited

No... What the president of the US does can not be thrown out because the other candidate in the election - which ceased to matter as soon as it ended - did this, that or the other.

I think the point @InnocentBystander is trying to make here is that Hillary, Obama and others have not been "attacked" in this way the same way Trump has, and possibly wouldn't be - at least in the same manner - if they did the same thing as Trump in this instance.

They have some antiquated views, but they're hardly a hate group.

Just from what you quoted there, I tend to agree. I disagree with some of the values (anyone should marry anyone, for instance), but there's nothing wrong with the group trying to promote that view and persuade others that their outlook on the matter is correct. Not a hate group; they're allowed to have their own values and preach them, so as as they do so legally.

EDIT: On a side note, this article is kind of hap-hazard in its writing.

The event, which counts religious extremists, white supremacists, and far-right activists among its attendants...

I think this is a large assumption, and the article provides no evidence that any of this is true. I think in this case The Independent is just lumping several groups together, classifying them all as "right" and just running with it. I find it to be sloppy at best and outright lies at worst.

No... What the president of the US does can not be thrown out because the other candidate in the election - which ceased to matter as soon as it ended - did this, that or the other.

Trump did nothing wrong here, so there is nothing to excuse.
But that's not what I am trying to say. I am pointing out the hypocrisy in over-the-top attacking Trump on something that is universal. And for trying to label people guilty of 'wrong-think' as a hate group.

Just because a person opposes gay marriage doe not mean they hate.
They are not a hate group anywhere. Not even in your country.

I am not a fan of their ideology, but they have just as much a claim to being 'right' as you do. This trend of demonizing anyone with another view is making me sad.

[–] PMYA [OP] 3 points (+3|-0)

I would argue that it is, in any country. They also can not "claim to be right". Advocating and lobbying for infringements upon the rights of others purely because it hurts your feelings and you disagree with it makes you part of a hate group. It doesn't need to be violent.