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So I've looked into it. It's just IVF reproduction where you take the eggs nucleus out and you put a sonomic cell in (any body cell). Bam, baby.

It turns out all the complications with Dolly were chance and a lot of 100% successful clones have been done of all kinds of species. It's not even that expensive to pull off.

So I've looked into it. It's just IVF reproduction where you take the eggs nucleus out and you put a sonomic cell in (any body cell). Bam, baby. It turns out all the complications with Dolly were chance and a lot of 100% successful clones have been done of all kinds of species. It's not even that expensive to pull off.

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[–] [Deleted] 4 points (+4|-0)

i don't have any issue with it in that its just another form of conception but i'd worry about it getting used for clandestine, evil or industrial means. though the same could be said for about anything, i guess. not unethical until made unethical.

That's how I see it also. It's a tool. Tools are not ethical, or unethical, but can be used for either.
Bad people are going to do bad things with it. Restricting what good people can do will not change that.

[–] pembo210 4 points (+4|-0)

I'm ok as long as the kid gets a normal upbringing and a shot at a normal life, no in the lab Truman Show life.

[–] xyzzy 3 points (+3|-0)

Depends on who has the "rights" on the clone. It's different if some couple cloned their deathbirth than if some company produces patented good-gened workers.

As with GMOs, IMO IP rights on live are principally wrong, but the technologies aren't.

[–] fusir [OP] 2 points (+2|-0)

Nobody has "rights" on the clone. It's a human child. I suppose the parent does but I wouldn't call that "rights" on the clone.

So GMOs are a lot harder than cloning. That involves gene splicing. Cloning is no harder than IVF which we do all the time.

[–] xyzzy 4 points (+4|-0)

Nobody has "rights" on the clone. It's a human child. I suppose the parent does but I wouldn't call that "rights" on the clone.

Someone always has the rights of a child. It gets a legal guardian if the parents can't handle them. But in the case of a clone of someone long deceased, who would that be? I fear it would be the lab which cloned it. "Yes as legal guardians we agree to medicinal tests".

So GMOs are a lot harder than cloning

Yes, but it has the same ethical, moral and legal issues.

[–] fusir [OP] 0 points (+0|-0)

Because the process requires a living body cell it would be unusual for the biological parent to be dead. In the rare case they are it would be a little like having a surogate pregancy where the egg donor and sperm donor die before the birth. So in that case I suppose gardianship goes to the surogate if she wants to keep the baby. Otherwise adoption.

On GMO it is not the same legal issues. So the genome of a modified organism that has been encoded with CRISPR can be patented. It's a designed work. With cloning it is just normal reproduction where instead you contribute both parts of the chromosome pairs.

[–] kromulent 2 points (+2|-0)

It's just a matter of assuring that it's really safe for humans. Nobody wants to perform a medical procedure that results in a damaged child.

It's also interesting to note that most cloned animals are not very similar to the individual they were cloned from. Gene expression is a function of the maternal environment within the womb, and it will vary due to slight differences in the timing and intensity of various hormonal influences. The mother's immune system may also play a role.

So, sadly, we cannot really make an army of clones from our best warriors in a secret underground lab. We'd just end up with a wild pack of ordinary children, and with nobody nearby to help with babysitting.

[–] smallpond 1 points (+1|-0)

So, sadly, we cannot really make an army of clones from our best warriors in a secret underground lab.

Oh, I sure many would gladly clone themselves 1000 times for narcissism and science if given the opportunity. If it's shown to be safe, it'll be just another tool that humanity probably shouldn't be trusted with.

[–] PMYA 1 points (+1|-0)

I don't see an issue with it. If it ever got to the point where sci-fi level cloning was possible, that's where it would start to get weird.

[–] Justintoxicated 0 points (+0|-0)

I think a lot of people come at the idea of cloning with the idea that a clone somehow ruins their "special unique identity as an individual" as if they are not just stupid walking shitting bags of meat which is threatening to them, it makes them confront the idea that they are not special and that they are actually quite disposable.

I feel like a lot of people look at cloning as somehow dehumanizing, that clones would be treated like... well like people in slave/sex trade are treated. They fell like it would suddenly commoditize humanity when in reality humans are an always have been a commodity.

Personally I have no problem with it but feel the value is not so much in cloning actual full people but cloning/growing organs.

Still we should be spending less time an effort with cloning and more time and effort focusing on building Kelly LeBrock robots.