Voat is the Symptom but not the Problem. Horseshoe Theory

You ever think that all those voices about hate were just the same people pretending to appear as many?

4chan has always been and will always be about influence. Think about it all those nerdy kids and shy girls that could be a completely different person and do so without consequence......now they can see if they have influence on the real world.

That is what the internet has become. An introverts paradise really.

99% of the element within online is completely different when you actually meet them. I know because I have over and over again. Back in my Reddit days when I was into buying, selling, and trading Lego I met with a great deal of Reddit users.

Almost all of them admitted they had alt accounts to hide their identity from the Lego crowd. I never understood how they could be ashamed of their true self or would pretend it doesn't exist.

I always kept one user name (until they were shadow banned for wrong think). Even on Voat. If I don't like a specific group of people I admitted it. If I did then I admitted that as well. No reason to hide from it as that is just who I am and if you didn't like it then so be it.

Partly why I don't speak to any of them anymore. They said I was too obvious about it online and in public.

So what......least I am honest about it.

[–] PhuksNewfag 1 points (+1|-0)

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." Oscar wilde

I think it's wrong to assume that the places that provide free speech and anonymity or pseudonymity do not reflect real people's opinions.

That they act differently in real life might just be because they're afraid to lose their job or depending on where they live may face even worse consequences.

Also in my opinion the people on 4chan or 8chan are much nicer to each other even if they use harsher language than the people on facebook, since everyone is anonymous you cannot insult another persons looks, religion, color, past opinions, sex etc. since all these things are hidden from you. You can insult groups you don't like but you cannot really insult individuals you're having a conversation with.

Facebook is pretty much the opposite. You cannot insult groups because it's wrongthink but can backtalk and bicker with individuals.

[–] E-werd 0 points (+0|-0)

I think it's wrong to assume that the places that provide free speech and anonymity or pseudonymity do not reflect real people's opinions.

I get what you're saying, but I disagree. I would define a person's real self as the one you'll see in the real world. All things that matter take place in the real world, outside of the internet. Politicians are real people, your coworkers are real people, your friends are real people. Sure, they may have different views in their minds than they admit to outwardly, but what does it matter if they would never act on it? What's a powerful bark if the dog will never bite?

[–] PhuksNewfag 0 points (+0|-0)

This might change overtime as the overton window (what is socially acceptable to say) changes. It will also influence whom they vote for and what they'll teach their children in the privacy of their home.

All things that matter take place in the real world, outside of the internet.

Donald trump certainly didn't get elected because of positive mainstream media coverage, I think it's fair to say that it was the internet that elected him. If the internet, and it was mostly limited to a handful of communities partially quarantined from the rest of the internet, can elect a president despite non-stop negative media coverage, it probably matters a lot.

Also almost every major political movement started as a fringe group, including the political correct movement that was made fun of by monty python 50 years ago and no one really took serious. Or Christianity. Or the Nazis, who went from 2.5% to >40% in less than 5 years.

http://histoire.museeholocauste.ca/data/timelines/gen/images/large/Chart_NaziPartyRise_ENG.jpg

We might be one financial depression away from the alt-right becoming a mainstream movement.

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[–] Adhdferret 0 points (+0|-0)

Ok so let's say you are right about the loss of a job or whatever......they are obviously living a lie and will never be happy. Since I have left Reddit and became a part of Voat I have made it obvious of my views to my employer with things.

With my most recent job it was WELL known of my views upon blacks. Thing is that I didn't let it effect my job performance, but you can bet I skated the line. I say that because provocation is the game people play and blacks do it the worst.

I wouldn't discuss my views while on company time, and I wasn't disrespectful with it either I was just assertive and I will always be. They never had a problem with it at all. They did have a problem with paying for my injury I got so I sued them and won.

Far as 4chan being nice......no they are all about influence and provocation to amuse themselves. It is played off as the mentality, but this is just how movements are.

Weak people seek a leader and every so often one pops up on 4chan so they use influence to entertain their fantasy. It is pathetic and I will always view Anon as that.

Same with people that switch user names on platforms.

[–] PhuksNewfag 0 points (+0|-0)

they are obviously living a lie and will never be happy

You might be projecting your personal value of truth and integrity unto others, many value it less than having a stable income and most will even value it less than having peace with coworkers and family. As far as I can tell there appear to be many people who can live happily without these values.

Personally I'd consider it misery, just like you. Albeit there are topics that I will not even put effort into researching because my country has strict hatespeech laws, and that annoys me as well.

Far as 4chan being nice......no they are all about influence and provocation to amuse themselves. It is played off as the mentality, but this is just how movements are.

They are provocateurs and they aren't nice, or at least the people on /b/ and /pol/ aren't which are not the only boards on 4chan, but I still think that they are nicer to each other simply because it's nearly impossible to make a personal insult on an anonymous board.

The people on facebook and twitter aren't nice, just read the comments under donald trumps tweets, it's filled with snarky hatred with barely any facts or arguments, just snarky insult after insult. Say something that would be similarly controversial on 4chan or 8chan (the paygap is real, we're equal or something like that) and there will be a handful of insults but there will also almost always be people who engage in actual discussion and arguments and in my experience they actually make up the majority. That's a big part of the reason I became more right-libertarian, instead of replying with "wow I can't you believe you just said that, omg" etc. they actually engaged in mostly polite discussion.

Voat can be a lot like that at times, too.

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Voat is the Symptom but not the Problem. Horseshoe Theory

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